US veto's UN resolution condemning Israel's killing of 3 UN workers

If this was their concern, then they could have left out all of the disproportionate force bull****. Obviously they are using this to try to run a smear campaign on Israel through the UN and we aren't buying.

 

I don't think it's B.S. that Israel frequently does use disproportionate force.

It's funny that sometimes the U.S. wants the U.N. to not be obsolete, and other times, they do stuff like this, when three people who weren't enemies to Israel, but were workers of the U.N. are dead. If the U.S. really wants the U.N. to be taken seriously, supporting then in situations like this might be a good start.

 

Three people are dead.......you dont have to try to hard to smear the persons responsible......and you dont have to try any harder to smear the Gov't who didnt respond to it, in order to continue their friendship with an allying Gov't.



The shame is great.

 

The only friend Israel has in this world is the US. However, that is really all they need seeing how we rule the world and everything in it. One has to wonder though, if Israel were located like near the Congo or next to Burma maybe, and no where near the world's jackpot of oil reserves, they likely wouldn't have a friend in the world and there probably would be no Israel. I guess it really is all about location, location, location.

 

Typical Arab totalitarian stuff. Keep criticizing Israel while the people you oppress starve and die and have no future.

 

Because there are oppressive Arab govts. doesn't mean that Israel which is also oppressive, didn't do wrong in killing three U.N. workers.

 

I suppose you think the better solution would be to respond in kind, to send a covert operative into Palestine and have that operative detonate an explosive device in the area with the highest civilian presence that he can find, or to send a sniper into a refugee camp and murder children in their beds. Because they are stronger, any response is going to be disproportionate. It is easier for the IDF to kill militants than for the militants to kill civilians. Should they stop shooting at the Hamas guys as soon as the exact same number have been killed?

Obviously their tactics worked on you. The US had no objection to the part of the resolution involving the UN workers. The Arab nations attached unrelated things onto the resolution and rejected the American proposal to have the resolution only cover the killings of the UN personnel. Then they turned around and "said it is not permissible `to give Israel the right to kill United Nations personnel without accountability or sanction.'"

 

It's the other way around. There would still be an Israel, but there wouldn't be any sidestepping to appease our oil rich allies. Genocide or relocation of the Palestinians most likely would've been carried out during the past 55 years, and it would just be another Rwanda. Cold War era politics were different then...

Oil in this region is as important to the United States as it is to Europe. It is more drastic in Europe because their gas reserves pale in comparison to ours and therefore they're more dependent to the Middle East than we are. Both sides of the coin are at play here.

 

Not so funny, but ironic. Of course the Bush II crowd hates the UN and does not want it to be taken seriously. That is why many in the GOP have bashed the UN for years.

They constantly threaten and bully the UN by saying if the UN wants to remain relevant it will support the US war against Iraq, which the US states it will do with or without UN support.

The UN is trying to hang in there till we get regime change in the US., a government that will work to support the UN instead of constantly yanking funds and threatening the UN.

The sad thing is that US bullying not only weakens the UN, but the US, too. As more and more countries, including our allies, dislike us, our influence is reduced to purely military or what we can buy with bribes or economic assistance or threats. In the long run it is a costly way to conduct a foreign policy.

 

i agree with glynch's view. US is losing popularities quick by alienating itself and go around bullying other nations. Even its usual allies are beginning to have different voices. People abroad are beginning to think that american are obnoxious, arrogant, ignorant people because most of them follows their president leads. Although i know most of them aren't, this is just those impression things.

It is acting like an schoolyard bully going around beating people up just because they don't like them. Even if the UN was right and US is wrong, it would not admit it and it would continue to bully its way out of embarrassment. and btw, UN should be working for peace of the world's nation, UN is NOT A US subsidaries that would follow everyting it said.

And one more thing is, has people in US ever think why would somebody sacrifice their lifes to kill others? These are not crazy people, some of them are well educated, why would they wanted to kill themselves?
Think about it.

here's a website to get more information about the history of middle east conflict (in case anyone care to know):

http://jerusalem.indymedia.org/news/2002/04/3830.php


swhwong

 

There are a lot of reasons. One reason is that they are religious fanatics, taught from a very young age that if they martyr themselves they will go straight to heaven. Another reason is that they on't realize that their tactics won't work. Of course, originally they didn't sacrifice their lives, they just pulled up on a streetcorner and started shooting everyone, or they kidnapped a bunch of olympic athletes and murdered them. Israel wasn't going to let that keep happening though so they armed their population and the guys on the street corner would be shot and killed before they did too much damage. It is harder to respond in time to a suicide bomber. One might want to ask why none of the Arab nations that are so concerned about the plight of the Palestinians are offering to take them in, that is until one remembers what the Palestinians did in Jordan and they realize that at least the leadership (Arafat) is power-hungry and militant and does not want to live in peace with anyone.

 

One might want to ask why none of the Arab nations that are so concerned about the plight of the Palestinians are offering to take them in

Glad you brought that up. For the sake of world peace, as an American, I would be willing to take in the Jews of Israel into the United States. I think they would be safer here and it would make the world a safer place.

 

People need to be held accountable for their mistakes, simple as that. I hope we were condemned when we dropped that bomb on that Chinese embassy a few years back.


The problem with Isreal and the rest of the Middle East is that Govts based on religion never work.

 

It might surprise you, but I would consider this an option as well. Not only that, but I think we could provide the Palestinians with a new home as an alternate solution also. Here is where I disagree with you though: Israel is winning. Palestine can never drive out the Israelis. Since that is the case, it makes much more sense for the "losers" to move. When the United States came into conflict with the native Americans, all of the settlers didn't just move back to England, it was the natives that were relocated. Generally speaking, when a land is disputed, it is the less powerful countrry that moves on.