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US Society: Changing of the Rules of Acquisition

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rocket River, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    It dawned on me with the Sexual Allegations ring exploding
    It seems an end game to a long moving changing of the rules of acquisition

    We are moving from Hard Power to a Softer Power

    For generations:
    Women were shamed for using sex to get power
    Men were 'rewarded' for having enough power to get sex

    Over the last couple of decades
    the movement was to liberate women
    To actually celebrate women being able to use Sex to get Power
    The SlutWalk and various Slutshaming terminology to shut that down alot of that previous negative incentives

    Now
    Men are being slowly wrangled in from using their power to secure sexual favors
    It is being seen as more pervish and borish . .. .a rising negative incentive movement

    this is a interesting time

    TLDR;
    Paradigm shift:
    LAST CENTURY
    Using POWER to get SEX = ACCEPTABLE
    Using SEX to get POWER = UNACCEPTABLE
    to
    THIS CENTURY
    Using POWER to get SEX = UNACCEPTABLE
    Using SEX to get POWER = ACCEPTABLE


    Rocket River
     
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  2. Deckard

    Deckard Blade Runner
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    RR, women using sex to "get power" is not acceptable. Maybe you've been watching too many movies.
     
  3. Nook

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    Why is a woman using her sexuality and seduction to get power or what she wants wrong? People do things all the time get what they want; be it charm, social position, money or any host of personal strengths.

    I am not going to hold it against a woman that has a consentual sexual relationship with someone that ultimately benefits them.

    It happens all the time.
     
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  4. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Pop music industry says hello, my old friend.
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    It's almost getting to where it goes like

    Having sex as a woman = empowering and completely acceptable no matter what

    Having sex as a man = Rape no matter what and a sign that you are an awful person....unless it's with another man and then it's empowering and acceptable no matter what.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Maybe not to you but to the greater society it is becoming more and more acceptable
    Kim Kardashian is a prime example
    Amber Rose and her slutwalks


    I think the caveat to your statement is . .. whether it is rape or not is completely are the discretion of the woman
    The concept that a woman can claim that something is rape or harrassment at basically any moment
    before, during or after.
    Concensual sex can become rape because . . .she felt pressured into it . .. or she regrets it later
    The environment is such that it will be believed as rape . . and the man will have to prove his innocents

    At one point in time. . . telling the most convincing lie to get sex was considered having 'game'
    now. . . lying for sex could be seen as a form of rape/assault

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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    I remember this old flier, it's indicative of the problem with how people view sex today
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    If both were drunk than neither really could really consent so it's either that both raped each other or no one was raped based solely on the intoxication factor. The notion that a man can apparently consent to sex when drunk, but women can't is fairly sexist because it paints men as naturally superior to women, but that sexist narrative allows for women to seize power so they accept it.

    In fact, a lot of what is going on politically lately has been the idea of seizing power through victim narratives that if looked at objectively are fairly bigoted in nature.
     
  8. Rocket River

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    It is so strong and pervasive .. . no one will touch it
    Right now . . . at this moment .. . . . questioning the victim is tantamount you being the rapist

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    Is this because of Louis CK? If so, please stop.
     
  10. Rocket River

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    Nope. Has nothing to do with him
    Well . .not in particular.

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  11. Amiga

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    Liberty to do whatever you want, as long as you don't harm other.

    The culture has shifted a bit... but yet, 2 out of 3 sexual assaults were not reported because of culture and the justice system.
     
  12. Rocket River

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    I understand that
    However the definition of sexual assaults is changing . .. becoming more expanded/expansive and encompassing.

    Not saying it good or bad but only that it is happening

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  13. Cohete Rojo

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    Then please do stop.

    This has been discussed before and your theory is wrong. There were people in the last century who thought it was wrong to use power to get sex. Perhaps the most notorious case was that of Bill Clinton.

    Some people have claimed that because of his power and his position in regards to Monica Lewinsky - that by using his status as president to receive sexual favors - he was in reality raping Monica Lewinsky. Manipulation and threats are as much a part of rape as physical coercion, and there was reported intimidation by Bill in their so called "consensual" affair.

    But hey - that's just me recanting what some people think. I think we all know the truth, though.
     
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    This is happening at the workplace as white collar managers become flatter with their subordinates. Heroes and superstars exist but there's more emphasis on collaboration without the overhead of a wasteful meeting.

    Yes, women are getting more power because they're graduating more and like men, they're beginning to speak up more no matter whether they're qualified or not.

    What's missing though is that instead of sex being all about quid pro quo, it's becoming more free. Maybe that contributes to a hollowed out meaning behind the "transaction", which then causes the mass public to focus upon its transgressions more (and ironically has more meaning attached to it than a random hookup), but on the whole, these power observations don't jive with what's actually happening.

    An unemployed 30 yr old millennial living in his mother's basement can still get as much play as a man living in his paid off condo debt free.

    I don't know why some dudes have to act like wretched beings here (not pointing fingers at anyone here), but if there's anything to talk about, it's less about zero-sum power dynamics and more about hyperinflated expectations we all vest inside an ever pervasive capitalist society.
     
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    I should have been clearer, which is my own fault, B-Bob and RR. I was talking about the ordinary workplace, and not the music industry, where sex is often an integral part of the "power" stars in the business use to become stars, and to stay there. The music industry, the film industry - there are numerous instances where sex is used, from both sexes (and other genders. Glam rock is an obvious example), as part of the persona the individual or group is using to get to and stay on top. No, I was talking about the ordinary, "run of the mill," workplace. In that setting, sex is used more against women, than as a means to more "power." In my opinion, at any rate.
     
  16. Rocket River

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    I would not say the transition is complete but I am detecting the movement
    Thirty years ago
    If you say a woman slept her way to the top . . . whether she did or not . . the negativity towards her would cripple her career
    Now
    The negativity you would incur would be much greater and you would be seen as a slutshamer. . while she may be more seen as a sexual liberated woman owning her sexuality . . .. even if she did sleep her way to the top

    It is not a 90-10 situation
    more like 51-49 . . .the attitudes are changing

    Hef was an ICON thirty years ago . . . he died. Many took out time to take a piss on his grave so to speak
    The day of the HEFs and people looking up to them are over
    HEF has been replaced by Amber Rose

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    There are some benefits for the change
    I think some men are taking advantage of it .. . being lazier and IMO kind of trying to be 'kept' men
    and alot of women don't mind bringing home the paycheck . . .if the man can keep home

    I am not saying things are worse. . . i am saying things are different.

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