Can't stop laughing at the title. I've bolded and underlined other hilarious parts of this AP statement. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...cuBTVw?docId=ea1eca52ba29416886fdd9db850436e1 As if there is any logic in the world which can equate (1) the UNITED NATIONS OVERWHELIMINGLY accepting Palestine as a non-member observer status "state" to (2) the internationally illegal and morally repulsive action of launching settlement plans which will effectively split the Palestinian territories from 2 disjointed territories to 3 (after they have already been split from 1 to 2). This is state sponsored theft of land because Palestinians gained non-member observer status - the only other country with this status is the Vatican. More sickening is the AP reporting that this is "hard" hitting. What the hell are they talking about? This is a stiff statement. Let's assume that it was appropriate to condemn Palestine's actions. Is it then appropriate to react exactly the same way to these Israeli actions? It is important you know this so that when... not IF, but WHEN... Palestinians react to the lack of any material action by the international community to this HIGHLY material action by Israel.. you don't start talking about Hamas and terrorists... this is a problem for all Palestinians, and these settlements are yet again in Jerusalem and the West Bank - In case you didn't know, that's the side that Hamas does not control or govern. That's the more peaceful side which, despite its peacefulness, remains drowned in land theft and abuse from settlers. Defensive expansion - and people actually believe it. <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0UjsXo9l6I8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Increasing settlement activity in disputed territory is unjustifiable and counter-productive to peace. Not sure how pointing that out equates to propaganda.
Israel's settlement building is one of the biggest impedements to peace. Hopefully they can wake the **** up.
Pointing that out is not propaganda. I'm saying that pointing it out is not "hard hitting" by any stretch of the imagination, even people in the Israeli government and media have spoken out more harshly than that. & The statement by Mr Nuland equates the seeking of Palestinian nonmember observer status with the construction of 6,000 homes by force for free on Palestinian territory >> putting them both in the category of unilateral action defiant of peace. They are not equivalent. It's absurd and ludicrous. Almost all the world supported one and almost all the world opposed the other yet they are put in the same category? Treated the same way? Dealt with the same way? With this kind of behavior, is there any reason why Palestinians should place faith in the US government as the "broker" of peace talks?
I like how you conveniently exclude the last portion of that quote. How typical of you to attempt to present a point by using an out of context quote. No where does he say anything that justifies terrorist attacks. All he said was "when Palestinians react". You may have inferred that that meant terrorist attacks, since that is your customary bigoted nature. However, the term react is not synonymous with committing terrorist attacks, and attempting to portray it as such is simply a display of your inadequate reading comprehension. Maybe I should just act like you do: "omg ATW didn't comment on Israel's expansionist settlement policy in this thread, therefore he agrees with it!! That means ATW is OK with stealing people's land!! Since settling on occupied territory is a violation of international law, ATW thinks its OK to break international law!! Since ATW thinks violating international law is OK, that must mean ATW approves of terrorism!!" I don't know how you manage each day using asinine logic.
You are the one with inadequate reading comprehension. If he says "not IF, but WHEN... Palestinians react to the lack of any material action by the international community to this HIGHLY material action by Israel.. you don't start talking about Hamas and terrorists..." - why would we start talking about terrorists if we are not talking about a terrorist attack?
It sounds like he's explaining a possible outcome. When you explain something it doesn't mean that you're condemning or endorsing a course of action. But you were never really interested in a real debate as evidenced by the 2nd post in this thread where you attack the OP and try to make it about him instead of dealing with the issues. I'm sure you'll attack me in your response to my comments.
Well what do you expect when the usual suspects is 99% of this forum and you post stupid statements? I think we should all just act like ATW: A German who thinks occupying and annexing territories is OK... how typical.
More at link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/19/security-council-condemn-israeli-settlements
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Your statement is a classic case of projection of your own irrational hatred toward another religion. You should consider attending ethnic/religious tolerance seminars/workshops. A study of how the rigid steretoyping of Muslims you engage in daily on this bbs was the type of process that eventually led to the Nazi gas chambers might be helpful. I believe there were quite a few studies after WWII showing the way that developed which might be instructive for you.
Back to the topic before the Jew hating name calling. As I have mentioned in other posts, Israel's land grab in the E-1 zone is viewed by many as ending the two state solution. It is very ironic that the supporters of Israel, right or wrong, are hastening this. I personally believe that this will lead to the just solution which is the one state solution for all the folks living there with no state privileged religion or ethnicity. It is the type of society that as an American I have grown up with and seems to me more modern and just.
Well for instance it worked pretty well in pre Israel Palestine andother parts of the Middle East especially before colonization by Euro Jews and the forming of the relgious privileged state in the area. There were large colonies of Jews and Christians in Egypt, Lebanon etc. But again, you start with stereotypical ethnic centric thinking that Muslims in the Middle East are not up to your white western standards.
