Update on Marc Jackson after 2 games

He'll be gone in by the trading deadline...I wouldn't be suprised if Golden State already has a trade scenario set up for him. Sure, he can void any trade for a year, but unless he's being sent to another bottom feeder, I see no reason why he would want to stay in Golden State.

Personally, I think he went a little too far with this whole thing. He already expressed his intentions after the Rockets signed him to an offer sheet. Golden State had every right to match it, so there's no reason to continue to whine. Sack up and play.

Golden State won't do anything this year, so they figured they could put up with him for three months.

 

Jackson is definetely not paying the dividends that Golden State thought 4 mil. per could get them: (according to ESPN INSIDER)


Point of contention in Golden State

It's early, but clearly, the Larry Hughes-as-a-point-guard-experiment isn't working. The Warriors are loading up on turnovers, not getting the ball to their big men in the right spot and most importantly -- losing.

Although it's too early to start cleaning house or abandoning Dave Cowens' brave experiment -- a league source told Insider, before Thursday night's miserable game that featured 23 turnovers, that the Warriors wouldn't wait long to correct the problem.

Management has given Cowens a limited window to turn Hughes into their point guard of the future. That window likely ends Dec. 15th when the Warriors can trade Marc Jackson. The source told Insider that Jackson's poor attitude upon his return has so turned off Cowens that he doesn't have any plans to play him. If Hughes falters, don't be surprised to see Warriors try to package Jackson and Hughes for a starting quality point guard.

According to the source, the Warriors feel they have enough talent to win this year, and aren't treating it as another rebuilding period. With the strong play of rookies Jason Richardson and Troy Murphy, the Warriors feel they can dangle a couple of their top young assets to get a proven point guard in return.

At the top of their list? Oakland native, Gary Payton. They think a starting five of Payton, Richardson, Antawn Jamison, Danny Fortson and a surprisingly effective Erick Dampier would contend for a playoff spot in the West. Problem is, Sonics owner Howard Schultz, thinks the same thing about his team -- as long as Payton behaves

 

I wonder if that "source" is the same one that had GS shipping off Dampier or Foyle to make room for Jackson.

Or the one that had ESPN Insider proclaiming before draft day that Kedrick Brown would be traded to the Blazers for Bonzi Wells.

 

I could see him going to Indiana for Best, although his free-agent status doesn't make him a likely candidate to stick around past this season...

 

It seems counterproductive to bench him if you want to trade him, they should showcase him instead, and he's an expensive benchwarmer. Oh wait, Dave Cowens needs to make a point, not win a game...

 

Who in their right mind would trade for an injury prone center with a long term contract who is riding the pine? Unless he puts up numbers comparable to last year, nobody is going to take a chance on an injury prone, relatively unproven (pending this year), player with a long-term contract with the luxury tax coming! I can understand going into the summer because Jackson was a hot commodity with the cap and luxury tax hampering teams, why would they trade for him? I definitely don't see Indiana giving up Best for Jackson and Hughes. Where would Indiana play Hughes? Definitely not at the point, especially with Isiah groom Tinsley to be the starting PG (and he's doing a pretty good job so far).

 

A-Train

"Personally, I think he went a little too far with this whole thing. He already expressed his intentions after the Rockets signed him to an offer sheet. Golden State had every right to match it, so there's no reason to continue to whine. Sack up and play. "

I haven't heard Jackson whine. He expressed his intentions before the Rocket's offer and after. If Golden State thought he was such a valuable asset, why didn't they pursue him this summer? Why did it take 15 days to figure it out? If they wanted something for him, they could have tried a sign and trade this Summer. They are punishing him for speaking out, and tried to punish the Rocks for making him an offer, by waiting the full 15 days to match it. Jackson had the chance to sign with a team on the rise, play for a coach that would make use of his abilities, determine his own destiny on his own merit. Golden State took that away from him. What kind of attitude do they expect from him? They won't play him unless they need to. That won't add to his value. He already sacked it up and played all the minutes he can expect, 4 in 2 games. Golden State is a Chicken **** team. They had the right to match the offer, that doesn't mean it was the right thing to do for Marc or themselves. I hope it comes back to bite them in the a$$. But how could you tell? They already are no class losers.

 

I SERIOUSLY doubt a team set up a deal 2 months ahead of time for Marc Jackson. Why would they? As for people assuming Jackson will be traded at the deadline, it's not that easy. If Jackson is barely playing, and he is sitting out due to the coach not giving him minutes, him not earning minutes, or injury, why would a team want to pick up his 6 year 24 million dollar deal!? And how is he going to get enough minutes in Golden State to justify trading for him? Mutombo was barely gone before the deadline last year, and he was in the last year of his contract, why is Marc Jackson and his long-term contract a lock to be gone by the deadline?

How did he go to far!? Golden State was the one who didn't sign the offer sheet what was he supposed to do, put a gun to their heads and force them to sign it? Jackson, to his credit, ISN'T whining, in fact he went on a radio show and said he was ready to play in Golden State so he did a good job stemming the tide. As for him "sacking up" and playing, hard to do when the coach isn't playing you, or you're hurt.

 

Pause - reflect - Todd Mac got an enormous contract for this year, as did Evan Eschmeyer - niether of these guys had anything even close to the numbers that Marc Jackson put up last year; what's the bottom line? Big men are scarce and teams are willing to shell out cash for anything that looks reasonable!

I think that the question regarding Marc Jackson and a trade should come from the Golden State side of things; will they accept one of the offers that they will receive (should they declare their intentions to trade!)


I wouldn't be disappointed to see Houston package Williams (frees salary for the state) and a pick (either a first rounder or two second rounders) to try and get Jackson!

 

It'll take more than Jackson & Hughes to make Payton a Warrior. Together they don't even make half of Payton's $12.9M salary. I'm not sure if that figure includes a trade kicker in Payton's contract.

 

RocksMllenium and Smoke, you are looking at this from the wrong point of view...Try and looking at this from Golden State's perspective. Look at the facts...

1) They already had a front line stacked with Power Forwards, so their goal with Marc Jackson was to try and sign him for as little as possible

2) As the Summer progressed, they discovered that Houston was the ONLY team that was pursuing Jackson. They also knew that Houston had limited cap space due to Mo Taylor's and Glen Rice's new contracts. They also knew, like everybody on this board, that Houston would pursue Jackson with the injury exception if Houston got it. They also knew about how much that injury exception would be (1/2 of Taylor's salary, just as it states in the Collective Barganing Agreement). The only thing the Warriors didn't know was the length of the contract. Basically, the Golden State Warriors already knew what Jackson would be making before the offer sheet was tendered.

Now, how much did Jackson want from Golden State? Who knows? Those contract negotations were kept very secret. But, he did finish 3rd in ROY voting last year after practically coming from NOWHERE, so my guess is that has was asking for more than Houston offered him. Golden State just used the rule of limited free agency to their advantage, and signed Jackson as cheaply as possible.

As for trading him, it was probably a little presumpitve of me to say that they already have a trade scenario worked out for him, but he will get dealt before the deadline, if not by the end of December. Know why? Because Jackson doesn't want to be there...He expressed those intentions throughout this ENTIRE process. With him riding the pine, those feelings of wanting to get out of Golden State will only intensify. If he can void any trade for up to a year, then why do anything to make him happy? He'll be BEGGING for a trade by December. The Warriors are taking Marc Jackson out of the equasion. All they have to do is find a team that will trade for him. Impossible, you say? He might be injury prone and unproven, but that didn't stop Rudy from pursuing him. Also, considering what some Power Forwards/Centers are making out West, Jackson is a BARGAIN.

By doing what the Warriors did, they had at least a CHANCE of getting something for him, rather than letting him go for free...Yeah, yeah, I know...they could have signed and traded for him. That's what's probably what they were trying to do during the Summer, but they couldn't find a good trade scenario. Maybe Marc Jackson was asking for too much, and another team didn't want to take on his salary? Who knows? That's the part of the the story was a mystery. Now, the Warriors have a couple extra months to work something out with another team...

You can consider what happened as Golden State's "Plan B".

 

Talk about dogging a man. In last nights game against the Clippers:

Fortson: 6 fouls in 20 minutes
Dampier: 6 fouls in 31 minutes
Foyle: 5 fouls in 18 minutes
Murphy: 4 fouls in 15 minutes

Jackson: DNP

Is he injured, or is Cowens willing to sacrafice wins to make a point? And yes, I know that they won this game, but the Clippers seem to have gone back to their losing ways so far, so it's not what I would call a convincing win.

A class/winning organization should be able to put petty differences aside, when it comes to the team. As far as I've heard, Jackson isn't saying anything negative about the team & is willing to play. What was said during the off season on both sides, was the negotiation process & should be shoved under the table for the better of the team. While this doesn't affect the Rockets anymore, it's still a shame to see a professional organization treating one of it's players this way. Just my opinion.

 

1. Marc Jackson probably did go too far after Golden State matched the offer. Comments about how much he would have loved Houston were fine... but he seemed a bit too resentful

2. Golden State probably would have been better off doing a sign-and-trade to Houston. Why? Well, he's petulant. They probably could have called and asked him ahead of time. They should have known.

Now, if they were prepared to showcase him... that's one thing. Sign him and let him play for his trade. But by not playing him, they're probably diminishing his trade value below the point that Houston was prepared to deal for.

I don't remember anyone ever posting possible trade offers... but what about a first round pick? It wouldn't surprise me if Houston had offered something like that. And I really doubt they'll get that much for a guy who's not playing.