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Unparalleled Perfidy

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, Feb 19, 2007.

  1. basso

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    http://www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?secid=1501&status=article&id=256522262721962

    [rquoter]War On Terror: The party of John Murtha shamelessly seeks to defund and defeat U.S. troops on the battlefield and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The Congress the terrorists wanted is doing their bidding.

    There's a reason the founders of this country designated a single commander in chief and placed the responsibility to wage war in the hands of the president. We saw recently the futility of having 100 commanders in chief when the Senate tried to pass a resolution of disapproval of the war in Iraq and couldn't agree on the terms of our surrender.

    Now it's the House of Representatives' turn, led by Rep. John Murtha, who believes the fine young men and women we send to defeat terror and our sworn enemies are cold-blooded killers. While the House works on its own nonbinding resolution, Murtha has bigger plans and considers such a resolution only a prelude to the real battle in March over appropriations for the war.

    As chairman of the House panel that oversees military spending, Murtha plans to advance legislation next month attaching strings to the additional war funds Bush requested on Feb. 5.

    Murtha plans to stop the Iraq War by placing four conditions on combat funds through Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year. The Pentagon would have to certify that troops being sent to Iraq are "fully combat ready" with training and equipment, troops must have at least one year at home between combat deployments, combat deployments cannot be longer than a year, and extending tours of duty would be prohibited.

    "We're trying to force a redeployment not by taking money away, (but) by redirecting money," explained Murtha.

    As we've noted on several occasions, Democratic talk of "redeployment" has encouraged terrorist groups around the world.

    Jihad Jaara, a senior member of the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, said before the 2006 vote: "Americans should vote Democratic," adding that "it is time the American people support those who want to take them out of the Iraqi mud." The statement could have come from Murtha, Kerry, Hillary or any number of Democrats.

    We find it scary that the Democratic and terrorist game plans are indistinguishable.

    Sen. Hillary Clinton, who was for the war before she was against it, has denied she supports cutting off any money for U.S. forces. But she has admitted she would cut off funds to our Iraqi allies to "get their attention." Such a move would likely lead to a collapse of the fledgling Iraqi democracy and a withdrawal of U.S. forces amid chaos similar to what happened when the 1974 Watergate babies cut off aid to our allies in South Vietnam.

    If Clinton and Murtha et al. have their way, we may yet see U.S. helicopters lifting off our embassy roof in Baghdad and a jihadist bloodbath like the killing fields of post-Vietnam Cambodia. If her husband's cowardly withdrawal from Somalia after the bodies of U.S. soldiers were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu inspired Osama bin Laden to plan 9/11, imagine what a Democrat-led defeat in Iraq might spawn.

    Clinton would leave us with an Iraq as the new base camp for terror, replacing Afghanistan under the Taliban. She has already warned the Bush administration that it must come to the Democratic majority in Congress for permission to deal with an Iran that is providing high-tech explosives to kill American soldiers and developing nuclear weapons and missiles to deliver them.

    It's not that the Democrats think we're losing or that the war is unwinnable. They simply don't want to win it. As House Minority Leader John Boehner said of Murtha's proposals: "While American troops are fighting radical Islamic terrorists thousands of miles away, it is unthinkable that the United States Congress would move to discredit their mission, cut off their reinforcements and deny them the resources they need to succeed and return home safely."

    At his press conference last week, Bush warned Congress against tying his hands on the war: "I make it very clear to the members of Congress, starting now, that they need to fund our troops and make sure we have the flexibility necessary to get the job done."

    Give us the tools and we'll finish the job, said Winston Churchill in the dark days before our official entry into World War II. America delayed its entry into both world wars, but once in, we were committed to win. Hillary thinks that applies only to her campaign, not to the war on terror.

    Neville Chamberlain's naivete may have helped bring on World War II, but at least he supported his country when war began. Norway's Vidkun Quisling and France's Vichy government under Marshal Petain may have collaborated with the Nazi enemy, but after their countries' defeats, not before.

    We'd have to go back to Benedict Arnold to find Americans as eager as Murtha & Co. to see an American defeat on the battlefield.

    They are working on the game plan of al-Qaida's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahiri. In October 2005, Zawahiri outlined al-Qaida's plan in a letter to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, late head of al-Qaida in Iraq:

    "The first stage: Expel the Americans from Iraq. The second stage: Establish an Islamic authority . . . over as much territory as you can spread its power in Iraq . . . in order to fill the void stemming from the departure of the Americans."

    John Murtha and his perfidious friends are working on creating that void and completing Zawahiri's first stage. They are the appeasers Churchill warned about who hope that by feeding the Islamofascist tiger, it will eat us last.[/rquoter]
     
  2. jo mama

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    maybe its just early and the coffee hasnt sunk in yet, but this poll appears to be total b.s.

    the headline says "most americans want to win in iraq and think we can", but the poll doesnt ask if you think we can win. it asks if you are "hopeful" that we can win.

    i am hopeful that scarlett johansson comes to my door trying to sell me girl scout cookies, but that doesnt mean i think it can happen.

    again basso, how do you feel about the troops, only half of them claiming to still support the occupation of iraq?

    how do you feel about the military times poll which said that 50% of the troops who have served in iraq and afghanistan do not think we can win? do you honestly believe that 50% of the troops who have served hate america and want the troops to fail?

    50% of those polled say there is no chance for success in iraq.
    only 35% approve of bush's handling of the war while 42% disapprove.
    59% say it was a mistake to invade in the first place.
     
  3. No Worries

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    War On Terror: The party of John Murtha shamelessly seeks to defund and defeat U.S. troops on the battlefield and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The Congress the terrorists wanted is doing their bidding.

    Fox News-worthy.
     
  4. basso

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    i've posted my thoughts on the MT poll elsewhere, and at length. feel free to look around.

    but perhaps you could answer me this. what percentage of the troops, whatever their feelings about the efficacy of the war, are actively working in concert with the enemy, which is what murtha, schumer, et al are doing? i don't expect everyone to support the war. i do expect everyone to work in the best interest of their country, and not with th enemy.
     
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    thats funny. ive directly asked you probably a dozen times and never gotten a reply.

    ill make it an easy one word answer for you - yes or no - do the 50% of troops who do not think we can win in iraq support the enemy?

    yes or no?

    how exactly are murtha, schumer, et all "working in concert with the enemy". seems that what they are pushing for is more in line with what the troops want and what most of the american public wants. it is you and bush who are in the minority.

    and dont you find the poll you posted to be very misleading with the way it is headlined?
     
  6. NewYorker

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    This stuff is hilarious. Basso - I really tip my hat to you. You're a master at this stuff. Not even I could maintain the facade this long. Wait - you aren't serious are you? Nah, you can't be that blind...you just can't be.

    Murtha in league with the terrorists? Hoping is believing? Twisted words and caustic dribble with shamelessly open attacks?

    When you start trying to equate the opposition party with our worst enemies...you've reached the point where you feel it's more important to defeat the opposition party then the terrorists.

    Truly, it is these people who are the biggest traitors to America.
     
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    Oh, please. The editorial page of Investor's Business Daily? If the WSJ is similar to the Chamber of Commerce, IBD represents the Club for Growth. They're both freaking nuts.

    And do pray tell, which of Murtha's conditions are you against? Are you for the troops by asking that they go into battle unprepared? Are you for the troops if they're not allowed to see their kids for more than a year? Hell, if you read the appalling series on post-war healthcare in the WaPo yesterday and today, we should put a fifth condition on it... no troop deployments until we are certain we can take care of the wounded in a dignified fashion.

    Fact is, this is not a failure of the US Military or the troops or a collaboration between Dems and terrorists :rolleyes: , but a massive failure of policy and implementation... and both of these failures start at the doorsteps of the White House and Republican Congressmen who enabled this travesty.
     
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    "surrender?Nuts!"
    General McAuliffe would be very upset for the use of this quote :(
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    Hold on Basso.

    Saying "they are actively working in concert with the enemy," means that they are not just working on parallel or related goals of the enemy but actually in league with the enemy and coordinating with them. Do you have any proof that Rep Murtah, and Sen. Schumer are in league with the Iraqi Insurgents, Al Qaeda or any other groups that are opposing the US on the battlefield?
     
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    Leaving aside the hyperbole of the rest of this post there is an interesting Constitutional question raised regarding what exactly are the powers and roles of the Executive and the Congress during war. Obviously the Constitution declares the President Commander and Chief which should grant the Executive branch the sole power of deciding upon strategy but if Congress is the one paying for it can they then manage strategy through the purse effectively intruding on the Commander and Chief's power?

    At the sametime regarding the Iraq conflict a formal declaration of war was never declared and the Commander and Chief powers would seem to apply during a time of war. While the AUMF is considered an equivalent to war it lacks the specificity of a declaration so could Congress then say that since it was something other than a full declaration of war the President's powers aren't at a maximum, as per the Youngstown Steel ruling, but limited?
     
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    You do realize that the terrorists have said that they'd prefer the American troops stay, so that they can recruit more easily and deal the Americans a more humiliating defeat?
     
  12. SamFisher

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    basso fights the war at home.

    he deserves a medal.
     

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