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UN Weapons Experts: Iraq War Not Justifiable; US Ignored Evidence Against WMDs.

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  1. MacBeth

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    Iraq war wasn't justified, U.N. weapons experts say
    Blix, ElBaradei: U.S. ignored evidence against WMDs



    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United Nations' top two weapons experts said Sunday that the invasion of Iraq a year ago was not justified by the evidence in hand at the time.

    "I think it's clear that in March, when the invasion took place, the evidence that had been brought forward was rapidly falling apart," Hans Blix, who oversaw the agency's investigation into whether Iraq had chemical and biological weapons, said on CNN's "Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer."

    Blix described the evidence Secretary of State Colin Powell presented to the U.N. Security Council in February 2003 as "shaky," and said he related his opinion to U.S. officials, including national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

    "I think they chose to ignore us," Blix said.

    Mohamed ElBaradei, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, spoke to CNN from IAEA headquarters in Vienna, Austria.

    ElBaradei said he had been "pretty convinced" that Iraq had not resumed its nuclear weapons program, which the IAEA dismantled in 1997.

    Days before the fighting began, Vice President Dick Cheney weighed in with an opposing view.

    "We believe [Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein] has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons. I think Mr. ElBaradei, frankly, is wrong," Cheney said. "And I think if you look at the track record of the International Atomic Energy Agency in this kind of issue, especially where Iraq's concerned, they have consistently underestimated or missed what Saddam Hussein was doing."

    Now, more than a year later, ElBaradei said, "I haven't seen anything on the ground at that time that supported Mr. Cheney's conclusion or statement, so -- and I thought to myself, well, history is going to be the judge."

    No evidence of a nuclear weapons program has been found so far.

    Blix, who recounts his search for weapons of mass destruction in his book "Disarming Iraq," said the Bush administration tended "to say that anything that was unaccounted for existed, whether it was sarin or mustard gas or anthrax."

    Blix specifically faulted Powell, who told the U.N. Security Council about what he said was a site that held chemical weapons and decontamination trucks.

    "Our inspectors had been there, and they had taken a lot of samples, and there was no trace of any chemicals or biological things," Blix said. "And the trucks that we had seen were water trucks."

    The most spectacular intelligence failure concerned a report by ElBaradei, who revealed that an alleged contract by Iraq with Niger to import uranium oxide was a forgery, Blix said.

    "The document had been sitting with the CIA and their U.K. counterparts for a long while, and they had not discovered it," Blix said. "And I think it took the IAEA a day to discover that it was a forgery."

    Blix said that during a meeting before the war with the U.S. president, Bush told him that "the U.S. genuinely wanted peace," and that "he was no wild, gung-ho Texan, bent on dragging the U.S. into war."

    Blix said Bush gave the inspectors support and information at first, but he said the help didn't last long enough.

    "I think they lost their patience much too early," Blix said.

    "I can see that they wanted to have a picture that was either black or white, and we presented a picture that had, you know, gray in it, as well," he said.

    Iraq had been shown to have biological and chemical weapons before, "and there was no record of either destruction or production; there was this nagging question: Do they still have them?" ElBaradei said.

    Blix said he had not been able to say definitively that Iraq had no such weapons, but added that he felt history has shown he was not wrong.

    "At least we didn't fall into the trap that the U.S. and the U.K. did in asserting that they existed," he said.

    ElBaradei faulted Iraq for "the opaque nature of that Saddam Hussein regime."

    "We should not forget that," he said. "For a couple of months, their cooperation was not by any way transparent, for whatever reason."

    ElBaradei said he hoped the past year's events have taught world leaders a valuable lesson.

    "We learned from Iraq that an inspection takes time, that we should be patient, that an inspection can, in fact, work."








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  2. AMS

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    I thought we already knew this...
     
  3. GladiatoRowdy

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    Some of us did. Others are doing their ostrich impersonations.
     
  4. nyquil82

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    why should we listen to them? they arent patriotic. and on top of that, i bet they don't have cool cars.

    i think the only evidence we had that they had a biological weapons program were the reciepts from selling stuff to them back in the '80's, but we really couldn't go public about that. If you can't porve it, just be assertive and enough people will believe you.
     
  5. bamaslammer

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    More sour grapes! We know that Saddam has had WMD and actively tried to hide them from inspectors. We know the UN and its army of Inspector Clousseau's couldn't lead hungry wolves to meat. We know that Saddam constantly laughed in the face of countless UN resolutions and yet.......this is their response?
     
  6. SamFisher

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    You need a lesson in metaphors. Sour grapes is what happens when you end up on the losing end of an argument, as Blix, El Baradei, and the rest ended up being right (and the Bush admin was wrong) about Saddam's WMD capacity, that is called vindication.
     
  7. nyquil82

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    PORVE! a see a lot of talking and not a lot of porving.
     
  8. GladiatoRowdy

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    As was stated before, this is yet ANOTHER report that shows that the anti-war folks were CORRECT in their assesment of Saddam's WMD capacity, therefore this would fall under the heading of "Proof" or "vindication" as opposed to the "sour grapes" that you claim.

    Had. As in past tense. Nobody is arguing that Saddam did not have WMDs in the 80s and early 90s. The point is that he has not had any for a while, as is proven with every day that passes with no WMD finds.

    How do you know this exactly? ESP? The same "intelligence" reports that Bush was reading pre-war?

    It seems like all these hawks have to do is make an unsubstantiated claim for you to "know" that it is the truth.

    The UN weapons inspectors found and destroyed every single WMD, component, and illegal missile part in Iraq before we invaded (again evidenced by the fact that we have not found ANYTHING with unfettered access to every part of Iraq). How exactly does that show them up to be anything short of professionals doing a difficult, demanding job? You can disparage them all you want, but they are the ones who have shown up Bush and his crew, not the other way around.

    It is becoming increasingly apparent that you are suffering a break from reality. You really should see a psychiatrist so that they can get you on Haldol.
     
  9. Woofer

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    The Bushies based all of the positive reports on WMD in Iraq on the testimony of six of Chalabi's cronies based on an FOI request I heard on the radio today. The Bushies ignored all contravening evidence.

    The scary thing is, Bush and Cheney need to see the same psychiatrist.
     

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