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UKTimes: Barak's bungalow booboo

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  1. basso

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    the Rezko problem is not going away.

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne...ctions/article3433485.ece?token=null&offset=0

    [rquoter]Mansion 'mistake' piles the pressure on Barack Obama
    US Democratic presidential hopeful, Illinois Senator Barack Obama

    Barack Obama now admits his involvement in this land deal was a mistake
    James Bone in New York and Dominic Kennedy in London

    A British-Iraqi billionaire lent millions of dollars to Barack Obama's fundraiser just weeks before an imprudent land deal that has returned to haunt the presidential contender, an investigation by The Times discloses.

    The money transfer raises the question of whether funds from Nadhmi Auchi, one of Britain’s wealthiest men, helped Mr Obama buy his mock Georgian mansion in Chicago.

    A company related to Mr Auchi, who has a conviction for corruption in France, registered the loan to Mr Obama's bagman Antoin "Tony" Rezko on May 23 2005. Mr Auchi says the loan, through the Panamanian company Fintrade Services SA, was for $3.5 million.

    Three weeks later, Mr Obama bought a house on the city's South Side while Mr Rezko's wife bought the garden plot next door from the same seller on the same day, June 15.

    Mr Obama says he never used Mrs Rezko's still-empty lot, which could only be accessed through his property. But he admits he paid his gardener to mow the lawn.

    Mrs Rezko, whose husband was widely known to be under investigation at the time, went on to sell a 10-foot strip of her property to Mr Obama seven months later so he could enjoy a bigger garden.

    Mr Obama now admits his involvement in this land deal was a “boneheaded mistake”.

    Mrs Rezko’s purchase and sale of the land to Mr Obama raises many unanswered questions.

    It is unclear how Mrs Rezko could have afforded the downpayment of $125,000 and a $500,000 mortgage for the original $625,000 purchase of the garden plot at 5050 South Greenwood Ave.

    In a sworn statement a year later, Mrs Rezko said she got by on a salary of $37,000 and had $35,000 assets. Mr Rezko told a court he had "no income, negative cash flow, no liquid assets, no unencumbered assets [and] is significantly in arrears on many of his obligations."

    Mrs Rezko, whose husband goes on trial on unrelated corruption charges in Chicago on March 3, refused to answer questions about the case when she spoke by telephone to The Times.

    Asked if she used money from her husband to buy the land next to Mr Obama's house, she said: "I can't answer these questions, I'm sorry."

    Asked how long she and her husband had known Mr Auchi, she replied: "I will not be able to answer this question."

    Mr Auchi's lawyer, asked whether the Fintrade Services loan was used to buy the land which became Mr Obama's garden, stated: "No, not as far as my client is aware."

    Mr Auchi's links with Mr Rezko are a new political headache for Mr Obama, the charismatic Illinois senator vying to become America’s first African-American president.

    Hillary Clinton has sought to make Mr Rezko, who has bankrolled Mr Obama's political career since his first run for the Illinois state senate in the mid-1990s, into an election issue by calling him a "slum landlord" in a televised debate. She has repeatedly suggested that Mr Obama has effectively not been "vetted" by media scrutiny and will not withstand "the Republican attack machine".

    Bill Burton, a spokesman for Mr Obama, told The Times: “The bottom line is Obama does not recall ever meeting him [Mr Auchi].”

    The house-and-garden deal raised questions about whether Mr Rezko, a property developer and fast-food restauranteur, made it possible for the Obamas to purchase a mansion they could otherwise not afford.

    Mrs Rezko paid the asking price for the garden but the Obamas bought the house for $1.65 million, - $300,000 less than the asking price. The sellers deny they offered the Obamas a discount on the house because the garden had fetched full price from Mrs Rezko.

    Mr Rezko has since been indicted for allegedly scheming to pressure companies seeking business with the state of Illinois for kickbacks and contributions to the governor Rod Blagojevich's campaign. He goes on trial on March 3.

    A prosecution document filed last month alleged that a "political candidate" - identified by the Chicago Sun-Times as Mr Obama - received a $10,000 campaign contribution from what is said to be a $250,000 kickback in the corruption case. That means Mr Obama's name could figure in Mr Rezko's trial, although he is not accused of any wrongdoing.

    Mr Obama insists he never used his office to do favours for Mr Rezko but admits that, as an Illinois state senator, he once wrote letters to housing officials urging them to provide money in support of a proposed apartment building for elderly people which Mr Rezko wanted to build.

    Mr Obama has publicly sought to atone for his closeness to Mr Rezko, paying $150,000 to charity to distance himself from a man accused of political corruption.

    The spotlight fell on Mr Rezko's ties to Mr Auchi last month when the Chicago businessman was thrown in jail for violating his bail terms by failing to declare a different $3.5 million loan from the British billionaire, made in April 2007. Prosecutors feared Mr Rezko, who travels widely in the Middle East, might flee to a country without an extradition treaty such as his birthplace of Syria.

    Mr Auchi was convicted of corruption, given a suspended sentence and fined £1.4 million in France in 2003 for his part in the Elf affair, described as the biggest political and corporate scandal in post-war Europe. He, in a statement from his media lawyers, claims he is appealing against the sentence.

    Mr Auchi founded his Luxembourg-based General Mediterranean Holding (GMH) in 1979, a year before he left Iraq. He says that he did business with his native country when it was considered a friend of the West but ceased to trade with the late Saddam Hussein's regime once sanctions were imposed after the invasion of Kuwait.

    Mr Rezko has told a court that Mr Auchi is a "close friend." Mr Auchi's lawyer told The Times: "It is untrue that my client and Mr Rezko are 'close friends'. Mr Auchi first met Mr Rezko after the 2003 Iraq war and they have a business relationship."

    Mr Rezko and Mr Auchi have been partners in a pizzeria business in the Mid-West and a major 62-acre land development in Riverside Park in Chicago.

    According to court documents, Mr Rezko's lawyer said his client had "longstanding indebtedness" to Mr Auchi's GMH. By June 2007 he owed it $27.9 million.

    Under a Loan Forgiveness Agreement described in court, Mr Auchi lent Mr Rezko $3.5 million in April 2005 and $11 million in September 2005, as well as the $3.5 million transferred in April 2007.

    That agreement provided for the outstanding loans to be "forgiven" in return for a stake in the 62-acre Riverside Park development.

    A posting last week on a GMH-owned website, middle-east-online.com, portrayed Mr Auchi as a Middle Eastern "Donald Trump" with a global business construction empire.

    Mr Auchi visited the United States in 2004. Pictures show him meeting Emil Jones, the president of the Illinois state senate, an ally of Mr Obama, a former state senator.

    Both Mr Auchi and Mr Obama say they have no memory of meeting each other. But, according to a source, the two may have had a brief encounter at the Four Seasons Hotel in Chicago where Mr Auchi’s visit was being honoured with a dinner attended by the Governor when Mr Obama, coincidentally in the hotel, dropped in.

    An aide to Mr Obama said he did attend an event at the Four Seasons at which Mr Rezko was present but does not remember meeting Mr Auchi. "He shook a lot of hands and met a lot of people," the aide said. "We do not remember individual people."

    Prosecutors say that, after Mr Auchi was unable to enter the United States in 2005, Mr Rezko approached the US State Department to get him a visa and apparently asked "certain Illinois government officials to do the same." Mr Obama denies he was approached. Mr Auchi's lawyer has emphasised to The Times that it would be entirely false to imply that money had been lent by GMH to Mr Rezko in return for Mr Rezko seeking to assist Mr Auchi to obtain a visa. The two men's relationship, the lawyer stressed, was a busines s one.

    Mr Auchi's lawyer said the purpose of the Fintrade Services loan was to "assist the financial position" of a pizzeria company called AR Pizza, in which GMH held a shareholding. He said the loan had since been repaid in the form of a greater stake in the Chicago 62-acre land project.

    AR Pizza has since become a defendant in a civil lawsuit by the Papa John's pizzeria chain, which alleges that it continued to operate a string of former Papa John's franchises under the name "Papa Tony's" without permission.

    Mr Auchi's lawyer said: "My client played no part in the management and/or day to day running of AR Pizza, the GMH Group being an entirely passive investor in the company. Further, there was no need as a mimimum return on the investment was guaranteed. As to the court proceedings, my client is not a party to these. He denies any wrongdoing in relation to his involvement in AR Pizza."

    Mr Rezko was also a major fundraiser for Governor Blagojevich. The governor's chief fundraiser Christopher Kelly, who also served as his gambling adviser, is fighting tax charges related to betting losses. The Associated Press reported that last month Mr Auchi's conglomerate also gave a loan to Mr Kelly secured on a Nevada land deal which the governor’s bagman was involved in. [/rquoter]
     
  2. IROC it

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    Oooopsie.
     
  3. SamFisher

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    it will go away after his inauguration, just like everybody forgets Keating 5 these days.

    but in the meantime - I'm sure this News Corp. london paper story is just killing his poll numbers in Kensington, etc.
     
  4. bigtexxx

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    Obama thought he could get away with this - it's a window into his character. There are no shortcuts in life - there's something to be said for earning things the old fashioned way - not Barack's way.
     
  5. pgabriel

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    and you support the daddy's son who president


    no cred
     
  6. bigtexxx

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    lol bringing up Bush has become the liberals' new MO when anything isn't going in their favor. Bush isn't running for President, folks. Not sure if you got the memo on that or not.

    Obama tried to get a sweetheart deal from a slumlord to get a nicer house. I cannot respect that.
     
  7. pgabriel

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    i'm talking about your hypocricy. you have no cred

    see, if you actually read the article, what they're trying to do is imply that obama did business with an iraqi business man who had ties to sadamm once upon a time. you know, because his father is a mooslim. get with the program, you don't know even know how to use the article.

    edit: british iraqi business man
     
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  8. El_Conquistador

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    So let me get this straight:

    1) A British-Iraqi sends cash to Rezko
    2) Rezko has no money until then
    3) Rezko's wife then forks over a substantial amount of money to buy an empty plot of land that can only be accessed through Obama's new house. Price for empty plot of land is full price.
    4) Obama can't come up with enough money to buy both the house and the land
    5) Seller sub-divides the house and the land to make it more affordable
    6) Obama buys house at a deep discount, Rezko's wife buys land at full price.

    Can you not see what is going on here? That land purchase was a total FARCE. Rezko's wife never used the land. It's the equivalent of HANDING MONEY to a politician. And to compound matters, the person handing the money to Obama was a convicted felon and his source of funding was a corrupt Middle East businessman.

    If you can't see something wrong with that, then you just are experiencing a willful suspension of disbelief.
     
  9. mc mark

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    As Bigtexxxie used to say "so what's the Obamarage of the day today?"

    What a bunch of desperate people!
     
  10. pgabriel

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    notice this quote


    "Mr Auchi first met Mr Rezko after the 2003 Iraq war and they have a business relationship."


    what does the iraq war have to do with this. obama's probably one of those of radical mooslims and he's gonna end the iraq war so the terrorists can attack america
     
  11. El_Conquistador

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    Not a single Obama supporter is talking about the substance of the article. Not a single one! Why not? Telling...
     
  12. bigtexxx

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    That's not what I used to say. I would award posters the distinction of the "liberal outrage post of the day". If memory serves, you won a few of those.

    What we have in this thread is more serious. Obama received favorable treatment in order to acquire a home that he could not afford. That is unjust. Obama relaxed his ethics in order to get a bigger house that he otherwise couldn't afford. He took advantage of the system.
     
  13. mc mark

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    Because the article (like you) is a joke.
     
  14. pgabriel

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    mmmkay
     
  15. El_Conquistador

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    So no Obama supporters can refute the charge that this was a corrupt deal? Thanks.
     
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    you can't prove that it was, most people already admitted it was poor judgement, when this story was relevant. this story tries to link obama to someone they can't even prove he has met.
     
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    There was no discount on the garden plot.

    The Obamas made three offers on the house, increasing the amount each time... hardly the pattern of a sweetheart deal.

    There were no other offers on the property.

    The sellers have said there was no quid pro quo.

    Obama has not and will not be charged with any wrongdoing.

    Notice the article doesn't say how much the garden strip went for. If it was a sweetheart deal, then it would buttress the aims of the story and be included. If the Obamas paid a fair price for it, is it any wonder the price is not included.

    This sounds like a shady guy with the appearances of legitimacy wanting to get close to an up-and-coming politician. Suspect money being donated to political campaigns is not something new or even that uncommon. Otherwise, the RNC would have had an independent audit at least once in the last five years.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

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    Let me ask you this question: Why did Rezko's wife buy the empty plot? Can anyone answer that question?

    Anyone can see the corruption involved in this deal. Obama himself said it was a boneheaded mistake. rimrocker are you disagreeing with his own assessment?
     
  19. F.D. Khan

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    So they paid 1.65 million for a house but are complaining that they just paid off their student loans last year in their 40's?
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    That's not that unusual. People are often on payment plans for paying back student loans, and so it will happen over time as long as the payments are made. That doesn't mean they can't also be making other money and buying things with that.
     

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