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U.S. May Cut Air Marshals Despite Warning

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  1. No Worries

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    Time for a little moral clarity, methinks.

    U.S. May Cut Air Marshals Despite Warning
    Jul 30, 12:20 PM (ET)

    By LESLIE MILLER

    WASHINGTON (AP) - The Transportation Security Administration wants to reduce funding for air marshals even as the government is warning about the possibility al-Qaida may try more suicide hijackings.

    The TSA is seeking approval from Congress to cut $104 million from the air marshal program to help offset a $900 million budget shortfall. It's unclear how many of the estimated several thousand air marshal jobs would be affected.

    "When we are faced with more priorities than we have funding to support, we have to go through a process of trying to address the most urgent needs," TSA spokesman Robert Johnson said.

    News of the air marshal program budget cutback comes as the Department of Homeland Security is warning of the possibility of hijackings and increasing screening of certain overseas passengers.

    A TSA official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the agency sent a directive to U.S. airlines on Monday telling them to immediately begin more intensive screening of travelers flying out of a foreign airport into the United States, then connecting to another foreign destination.

    Those affected are non-U.S. citizens who do not have U.S. visas. They previously have been allowed to stay in secure areas while passing through U.S. airports but have not been subjected to more intensive screening because they aren't staying in the country.

    President Bush noted the hijacking threat during a White House news conference Wednesday and said U.S. officials are talking to foreign governments about it.

    "There are still al-Qaida remnants that have designs on America. The threat is a real threat," he said. "We obviously don't have specific data. We don't know when, where, what. ... I'm confident that we will thwart their attempts."

    A copy of the advisory, obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press, suggests an attack could take place by the end of the summer. The warning said terrorists may use five-man teams to take over airplanes just after takeoff or before landing and crash them into buildings.

    The Sept. 11 attacks were carried out by three five-man teams and a four-man squad of hijackers, U.S. officials believe.

    "The hijackers may try to calm passengers and make them believe they were on a hostage, not suicide, mission," said the warning, which was distributed over the weekend to airlines and law enforcement agencies said. "The hijackers may attempt to use common items carried by travelers, such as cameras, modified as weapons."

    It suggested cities on the East Coast, in the United Kingdom, Italy and Australia as possible targets.

    "No equipment or operatives are known to have been deployed to conduct the operations," the warning said.

    Officials said the credibility of the threat was still being evaluated. But they noted there was no precise information on when or where such an attack could take place.

    The national terrorist threat level remained at yellow, signifying an elevated risk of attacks. The five-level, color-coded system was last raised to orange, or high risk, for 11 days in May. Officials said they did not plan to raise it to reflect the possibility of suicide hijackings.

    Some complained the government still was doing too little to alert the public and key industries to terror threats.

    "Our concern is that there will be bulletins put out that will not be made available to us," said Capt. Jon Safley, president of the Coalition of Airline Pilots Association, a pilots union. Safley said he hasn't been getting warnings and wasn't sure all pilots know when advisories pertaining to air travel are issued.

    Jim Schwartz, director of emergency management for Arlington County, Va., which includes both Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and the Pentagon, said his agency had received no warning from Homeland Security. He said he would need more specifics before increasing security based on published reports.

    The warning was based on information gleaned from interviews of at least one al-Qaida prisoner as well as intercepted communications, said one intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity. The information was developed in the past several weeks.

    "Cognizant of changes in aviation security measures since Sept. 11, 2001, al-Qaida is looking for new ways to circumvent enhancements in aviation security screening and tightening immigration requirements," the warning said.

    Homeland Security Department placed a statement on its Web site saying the advisory was transmitted after U.S. intelligence-gatherers "received information that al-Qaida continues to be interested in using the commercial aviation system in the United States and abroad to further their cause."

    In response to the advisory, the State Department on Tuesday revised an existing caution for American travelers to reflect the perceived hijacking threat.

    "Terrorist actions may include, but are not limited to, suicide operations, hijackings, bombings or kidnappings. These may also involve commercial aircraft," the revised statement said.
     
  2. goophers

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    This just seems silly to me now. I mean, if a bunch of terrorists take over a plane, who's going to believe them when they say "we promise we aren't on a suicide mission"? And the cameras/weapons thing sounds like something from Q's lab.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    I truly believe that, post 9-11, Americans who find themselves on a hijacked domestic airliner will fight to the death. I know I would.
     
  4. mrpaige

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    Well, you can't spell al Qaeda without Q.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

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    I spent all weekend flying around Texas and oklahoma. Man, at Hobby they were sending people through the security check faster than you can say security breech. They didn't even open my carry on bag or anyone else's. They really seemed rushed. Kind of unsettling...

    Personally, I think it's all for show. I don't think our airports are any safer than post 9/11. But I agree with RM Tex. If anything happened now on a plane, everyone would go down fighting.
     
  6. ROCKSS

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    My job requires me to fly quite a bit and I do not a warm fuzzy when I watch the screeners do their job. I think part of the problem is you get what you pay for, and I see quite a bit of young kids, retired folks and people who generally would not fit the "Inspector" role as I would see it. I`m not knocking them becuase I think they are trying to do a good job although I am not convinced that you can handle this process with low level paying personnel. I also agree that if something were to happen people would fight to the end to prevent being hijacked
     
  7. MadMax

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    I heard Ollie North (a favorite of some of our left-leaners, I'm sure! :) ) give a great speech on this.

    He said that when the guys on the flight that crashed in Pennsylvania called the emergency numbers on the air phone, they were told not to fight. They were given the protocol of airline security since the 80's...they were told to sit down and keep quiet. Can you imagine what might have happened if they would have listened to that? They had the courage to act on their gut. It would have been a lot easier to listen to the lady and just sit back down and shut up...but they chose not to do that. Thank God!

    Months later that jackass got on that plane with a bomb in his shoe...he started to mess with it and the guy sitting next to him appropriately put his boot on the terrorist's face. They held the guy down and made his trip quite unpleasant. That's what terrorists know they'll be facing when they hijack planes with Americans on board at this point.
     
  8. glynch

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    Madmax, you undercut your moderateness with this one

    This is not a Demo/Republican issue, though you try to score some points for Ollie and the GOP for some reason.

    If prior objective studies had shown anti hijacking experts that your best chance was to cooperate and they advised that, it wasn't a mistake due to them being Democrats or opponents of Ollie North.
     
  9. ROCKSS

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    What? :confused:
    Max only pointed out a speech he heard. I do not believe he was trying to score points for anyone.
     
  10. rimbaud

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    They did listen to the advice - which is why the terrorists were allowed to go into the cockpit armed only with box cutters. It wasn't until people started hearing from loved ones that planes were crashing into buldings that the passengers understood they were not just hostages.

    Had they not listened to the security advice from the beginning, the terrorists would have been easily overwhelmed.

    Now we know and this will never happen again. Even if they had guns or a bomb on the plane, I think people would resist now, with the understanding that they will die if they do not.
     
  11. Oski2005

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    It's pretty hard to get a bomb on plane over here, or so I hope. The terrorist basically lied to scare people. Luckily, the guys over Penn had heard what was happening so they already knew what the hijackers were planning, no need to sit and do as told in that situation.

    I don't know what's going on now, but I'd feel safer with an air marshall in addition to passangers ready to take action. Of course, there is always the risk that an Air Marshall could snap and go on a midflight shooting spree, but I'm sure they are constantly under psychological evaluation. If there is something I hope people would be willing to spend money on, it's making the cockpit of planes impossible to break into and making that wall bullet proof. That's probably all we really need.
     

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