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U.S. banks stand to collect $38.5 BILLION in overdraft fees

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  1. robbie380

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090810/bs_nm/us_banks_overdrafts


    U.S. banks to make $38 billion from overdraft fees: report
    Reuters

    Mon Aug 10, 3:43 am ET

    (Reuters) – Banks in the United States are poised to make $38.5 billion in customer overdraft fees this year, the Financial Times said, citing research by Moebs Services.

    A large portion of the revenue is likely to come from the most financially stretched consumers, according to the paper.

    It said the research showed that many banks have increased charges on overdrafts and credit cards in order to boost profits.

    The median bank overdraft fee rose this year by one dollar to $26, the paper said, citing the Moebs data.

    "Banks are returning to a fee-driven model and overdraft fees are the mother lode," Mike Moebs, the company's founder was quoted by the paper as saying.

    Overdraft fees accounted for more than 75 percent of service fees charged on customer deposits, the paper cited Moebs as saying.

    Last year the U.S. Federal Reserve approved credit card rules to curb "unfair" practices such as surprise fees and interest rate hikes, and new mortgage lending rules are expected this summer. It is also mulling rules to give bank customers the chance to opt out of overdraft schemes that can involve fees.

    (Reporting by Ajay Kamalakaran in Bangalore; Editing by Greg Mahlich)

    and from briefing.com where i get my market news in the morning

    Banks make 38 bln from overdraft fees - Financial Times

    Financial Times reports U.S. banks stand to collect a record $38.5 bln in fees for customer overdrafts this year, with the bulk of the revenue coming from the most financially stretched consumers amid the deepest recession since the 1930s, according to research.

    The fees are nearly double those reported in 2000. The Federal Reserve is working on rules on overdraft fees, and rules on customer charges could be a priority of the Obama administration's proposed Consumer Protection Agency if approved by Congress. Data from Moebs Services, a research co, show that the crisis has prompted many banks to lift charges on overdrafts and credit cards in order to boost profits.

    The median bank overdraft fee has this year rose from $25 to $26, according to Moebs, the first time it has gone up in a recession for more than 40 years. "Banks are returning to a fee-driven model and overdraft fees are the mother lode," said Mike Moebs, the company's founder. Overdraft fees accounted for more than three-quarters of service fees charged on customer deposits, he said.

    The most cash-strapped customers are the hardest hit by such fees, with 90% of overdraft revenues coming from 10% of the 130 mln checking accounts in the US. Regular use of overdrafts is most common among consumers with low credit scores, Moebs discovered.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Overdraft fees are ridiculously high. That being said, folks need to understand the bank's policy of how they handle deposits vs. withdrawals. Folks need to understand a debit card is treated like a check in as much as funds are not generally verified and they are also withdrawn immediately. Also, don't overdraft your account. For the occasional screw up, banks tend to reverse the fees.
     
  3. rhadamanthus

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    ^^^Agreed. Fees are excessive but you're still an idiot if you overdraft.
     
  4. Pushkin

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    I think it is pretty ridiculous that a bank charges such a large fee when it does not cost the bank anywhere near that much to reject a check.

    On the other hand, I cannot gather any sympathy for the deadbeat that bounces a check. If you cannot keep track of your money, set up a linked savings account or line of credit. Better yet, just keep track of your money.
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    I agree consumers need to understand the banking system better, but the way it is designed is to catch consumers in overdraft. This is one more of those many "poor taxes" that people don't account for. The wealthy rarely have this problem.

    There are two glaring issues that are down right criminal in the way they are used and they BOTH make up a huge sum of this number:

    1) Collecting ODF's when businesses put a hold or reserve on money that isn't used. For example, gas stations and hotels. I understand putting the hold and i understand a person needs to get a ODF if that reserve is used, but they certainly shouldn't get one if that reserve is not used. This leads directly into the next issue;

    2) Allowing the largest sum to deplete first, and then charging ODF's for the nickle and dime transactions.

    This is not tricky banking practice, this is simply thievery. And I wouldn't doubt for a second there is plenty of lobbying to discouraging the government from stopping this practice.
     
  6. pgabriel

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    I don't think banks do this, they don't overdraft till the hold is dropped and if a they get a receipt for a transaction, if no receipt when hold is dropped no charge.

    just to give the bank's side of the story, they will say they don't want to reject your larger transactions because they tend to be more important things. just saying what they will say, when i worked for a bank they actually used to take the smaller transactions first but then changed it to the larger and that was their excuse.
     
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    The fact remains that regardless of which charge is taken out first, collectively, the user took out money they didn't have. If you have $400 in the bank you should not try to spend $500.
     
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    True, but if I have $400, deposit $100, and then spend $450, the bank should process the transactions in order. Process the deposit before the debit. Anything else is a business practice designed to charge fees unscrupulously.
     
  9. juicystream

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    So what about the guy that goes and deposits his paycheck, but it turns out the employer doesn't have any money in his account. The guy now pays a fee for depositing a bad check and gets hit with a NSF fee on transactions he made assuming the check would clear. This happens to a lot of people, and with small businesses. Those are the people that get screwed.
     
  10. DonkeyMagic

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    Easy fix. Don't spend more than you have. Is there such thing as personal responsibility anymore?
     
  11. Rocket River

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    This. . I can attest to. . . They indeed do this


    What's the difference between PAYDAY LOANS and LOANSHARKING?

    Rocket River
     
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    or how about the banks simply reject the transaction?

    or how about they notify the customer of an overdraft at the time of purchase?
     
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    no...you are clearly poor if you overdraft.
     
  14. bobrek

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    There are plenty of folks who are in no way poor that overdraft.
     
  15. pgabriel

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    i think he was being sarcastic
     
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    I haven't overdrafted, but I could easily see how it is possible with Bank of America. They way they handle deposits should be illegal.

    I go to the bank at 8AM and give them $200 cash, I don't get credit for that money until the next day. My paycheck is direct deposited, yet when the 1st/15th falls on a Friday they don't give me credit for it until Monday.
     
  17. uolj

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    Really?

    I have Bank of America and I get credit for my direct deposits at 6pm the night before they are scheduled. So if the 15th is on a Sunday, I can spend my money Friday night, the 13th.

    Although they did screw me into paying $350 in overdraft fees last year, and only refunded $200 of them even though they basically admit it was their fault. I'm just too lazy to switch banks over it, but I wanted to.
     
  18. bnb

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    $25 overdraft fee doesn't seem out of line. A 4% increase to $26 doesn't sound like gauging. And I'm not overly surprised that 90% of the fees come from 10% of the accounts and that those accounts are from cash strapped customers with lower credit scores.
     
  19. rhadamanthus

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    Yes, this is unfair. But I'm guessing most of these fees were not related to this type of nastiness, and more the "i can't balance my checkbook" stupidity.
     
  20. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    90% of America was spending more then they had dude. Our whole society, and capitalism, is based on spending more then you have.

    Without it - how many people could buy a car, a house, put kids through college? This is the craziest statement I've seen from ya.

    I used credit cards to avoid spending bank cash when I was unemployed and young. Kept transferring balances to avoid interest - but still, a tough way to be and too many people are there.
     

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