We've concentrated on how the zone will affect us. . . . QUESTION: Will Rudy implement a Zone? ---------- Type of Zone would you use considering - our personel? HeyP can I get some assistand here? I'm not sure if it was Arkansas or UNLV that had the 'Ameoba' Zone If Cato is gonna be here He will be our POOR MAN'S SHAWN BRADLEY [i feel ill . . just saying that . . .] Sit his *ss in the middle of the zone and GRAB A D*MN REBOUND Will this diminish Anderson's ONE ON ONE or help him play the Passing lanes? Rocket River ------------------
UNLV had the "Ameoba Zone", with Stacey Augmon in the middle, No? I think most of the league has fast guards and small forwards, unlike college. With that, you can play man on the outside and a zone underneath. There is no reason why the entire team has to play one or the other. Count on the NBA coaches showing us some defenses we've never seen before in college. Actually, isn't that what the Ameoba Zone was. An example in the NBA would be Duncan and Robinson patroling the high and low post guarding no one in particular unless they entered the lane. The outside plays man to prevent shots and drives into the creases. The philosophy is that zones as we generally think of them have creases relatively speaking to man on man. But, zones provide a better way to shut off the inside overall. Why not combine them? Match-up zones of Temple play man within a zone but allow switching if your man leaves your zone.
I would have to believe that, with the quickness of the players in the NBA, there would be a lot of 1 at the top - a quick guard or small forward hawking the ball. I could see 1-3-1 for teams with big shot-blocking centers. I just don't see how modifying this defense will make the league more exciting. I mean, if they are hearing to much "these kids today don't know how to play the game right" from old kermuggins at the league office, maybe they should actually ask KIDS what they like. They are the future fans of the NBA. I heard that the NBA wanted zones to stimulate the running game. It will also stimulate the bad jumpshooting game. Oh, joy! ------------------ And then, depression set in...
From Dr. Jack Ramsey... Don't misinterpret the proposed rule changes to mean that there will be a lot of zone defense played in the NBA in the future. Teams won't win in the NBA with a zone defense. I think most teams will have a zone or combination or trapping zone (especially the latter) to use in special segments of the game...and every team will need an effective zone attack, just to be ready. But, with the 3-second limit on defenders in the lane, you eliminate the basket goal tender and keep the middle relatively open. It will be very interesting to watch...but these proposals make the NBA game like all other levels of basketball, except they have the best players...and the defensive restrictions, which were confusing to fans, players, coaches and referees alike...will be gone. It sounds like a good move to me. ------------------ And then, depression set in...
Mid-range jumpshooting is a lost art in the NBA. Oh sure you have your super athletes who can dribble for hours, touch the top of the backboard, go behind their back (and throw a pass out of bounds) Heyp will tell me "the defenses are better" this is true ,however, players used to penetrate and pull up for the jumper (see Calvin Murphy) Nowadays they want that drive to the hole and the highlight dunk. Have you ever tried to guard someone running full speed who suddenly stops and takes a jumper? Impossible to stop. In a zone defense there will be seams open for this mid-range jumper, so they better start practicing these shots. ------------------ "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."- (Aldous Huxley) [This message has been edited by BobFinn* (edited April 05, 2001).]
Bob That is why I think Dallas is looking good cause Finley , Dirk and even nash seem to have good Mid range games. The Idea of upping the Running game HAS to be off steals and zones would decrease the amount of Offensive Rebounds [MAN I THINK RODMAN COULD COME BACK NOW] I beleive this will help against the *elite* PFs in the west . . . This would allow Hakeem and Cato to Patrol the back [at least for the 15 minutes a game before cato fouls out] While Steve, Cat and Anderson match up and play passing lanes Teams that do not shoot the mid range jumpers well WILL DIE IN THIS LEAGUE Rocket River ------------------
MJ is coming back next year, no doubt: http://www.espn.go.com/nba/news/2001/0404/1167210.html He is licking his chops to have the chance of going against zone defenses. ------------------ "Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored."- (Aldous Huxley)
I wonder what Dr. Jack would say to this... Dr. Jack is speaking from bias, imo. Look, I love stop and pops, Princeton precision, Notre Dames zones that stopped Ralph Sampson, so it seems pretty obvious to me that when Jack says the NBA will only use special zones in special situations, and these rules will surgically remove the high ISO from the game without changing anything else, he is in major denial. We may not see zones as we think they are in college, and we certainly will still see low post ISOs from any star with a turnaround J, but what does he mean by "you eliminate the basket goal tender and keep the middle relatively open." That is major denial! Relative to WHAT! to what will the lane be relatively open to...college ball? or NBA ball? Do you not think Popovich and Riley are licking their chops at the thoughts of their centers with their 8' wing spans now only having a 3 second rule to "eliminate them from basket goal tending". What Jack is in denial about, imo, is this rule will most certianly allow premier centers to tend the goal against any guard wing attack and any low post attack. Bob*, I don't disagree with stop and pops being great shots. But I do not like Arkansas and UNLV basketball, and that is what I think we will end up with, before we see an offensive evolution occuring in an era of defense and a short 3-pointer when the new rule will favor defense even more. I just worry about Stern unleashing a monster to surgically remove high ISOs that results in an evolution towards dynasty defenses that shut down the low post like never before. At that point, who cares about the mid-range when the low post game dies.
I like and dislike the idea of a zone. I mean, think of the possibilities. If you play a "triangle and 2" or "box and 1" it would basically be what most teams play now, just more obvious. We would have Anderson and Francis playing man while Mobley roams around in the passing lanes. If Francis is having an off night on defense then let him roam the passing lane while Mobley puts the handcuffs on opponets. Meanwhile, Dream and Webb are keeping the lane clear and in excellent box out position. We get the rebound and attack at the other end. Of course, this is just my opinion... ------------------ Jeremy Audd Newman University Men's Basketball #14 [This message has been edited by nujet12 (edited April 05, 2001).]
<h4>Someone ask Dr. Jack if he would run his St. Joseph 1-2-2 zone or not!</h4> Ha! I finally found the description of Dr. Jacks zone. Dr. Jack is a inventor of a fast, athletic zone...and him saying the NBA won't run zones sounds like a lie to me, coming from a lover of zones. What Jack wants is to see defense rule the NBA. But is that what you want. Here is what Dr. Jack Ramsey would do...with San Antonio, Miami and Philadelphia's fast, athletic, awesome defenses. Temple's defense (based on Dr. Jack) can shut down everything with the requisite athleticism. The key is to not react to a pass to the perimeter until the ball arrives. This prevents touch passes into seams that can occur before teammates slide to their new zones positions. It requires fast players and great low post players, but is designed to shut down all penetration and mid-range shots while creating triangles around the low post, and still hounding the 3 pt shooter. Dr Ramsey's very own revolutionary zone is not impeded by a 3 second rule. Jack just wants to witness inventions in zone. He wants to rule the nest in the media on describing the new zones the NBA will be inventing. Jack is biased. Listening to Jack is like listening to Phil Gramm discuss the merits of the republican platform or Byrd on the other side of the aisle. If you love the NBA, you should question the merits of a major change, and you should question the words of a man who has based his whole life on inventing zones.
While a 1-3-1 would be the ideal zone to play in the NBA as it would severely clog up the key way for both quick opentrating guards and big fellas posting up and it's major weakness is the mid range jumpers from the baseline (aren't many mid range jump shooter int he NBA anymore). However if the NBA introduce a 3 second rule for defenders then the 1-3-1 would be tough to play. Teams would then have to look at zones that have an Even back like 2-1-2s and 2-2-1s and event he 2-1-2 would be tough to play for the 1 in the middle, so it sounds more like the NBA wants to allow zones but keep the keyway as UN-clogged as possible. Smeg ------------------ "Repression never did me any harm (I finally ceased to include "stop masturbating" as one of my guilt ridden New Year's resolutions, but that's a different topic)." Achebe - programmer by day, Mrs Palmers Husband by night
It's a conspiracy! Bwahahahahahahaha! Dr. Jack Ramsey... or should I say... Dr. EVIL? (Ramsey appears in cheesy white outfit, right pinky to corner of mouth.) "At last! My journalistic monopoly of zone description is complete! Once I have saved enough millions of dollars, I will steal a nuclear device, detonating it at the earth's core, covering the cities of the earth in hot, liquid MAG-MA!" in the summer, we made meat helmets... [This message has been edited by Nolen (edited April 05, 2001).] [This message has been edited by Nolen (edited April 06, 2001).]
I'm with you heyp . . . The NBA is constantly putting in stupid gimmicks and bad rule changes that try to make the game more entertaining. IMO, stop putting in more and more rule changes. I LIKE defense the way it is now . . . a zone doesn't make sense for the NBA -- it reduces the value of a star player, and the NBA needs stars. First with the semi-circle under the basket, then with the Barkley rule, then the touching fouls, now with the zone defense . . . I propose one change to the rules and that is all -- eliminate the taunting violation. Allow the players to get excited. Heck, allow them to wag fingers, hang on the rim, slap the backboard and yell after dunks. It is much more exciting than what they're trying to promote, which is a freakin' badminton match. ------------------ "Up and down, inside out, outside in, some you lose some you win" -- DMB -> "Sweet Up and Down"
All i want is Sharks with fricking Lasers on their heads ------------------ "Repression never did me any harm (I finally ceased to include "stop masturbating" as one of my guilt ridden New Year's resolutions, but that's a different topic)." Achebe - programmer by day, Mrs Palmers Husband by night
Wouldn't Rudy run a zone that would slow or shutdown some of the bigger guys out west? Plus if all rule changes go through there would be a new 3 second defense violation so wouldn't that limit some of the zone types that could be performed? ------------------ Arkansas' Biggest Rocket Fan!
That is by far the best proposed rule change I have heard. That would make the game even better. These days, I can't enjoy dunks anymore, because I always think on every dunk: "Are they going to give him a T?" Plus, I can't stand seeing Garnett stare down an opponent and yell at the top of his lungs, while Francis gets thrown out for being happy. ------------------ Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon is the greatest player in the history of basketball. If you disagree, you are not a Rocket fan.
