There was two trade scenarios brought up last week that fell through the cracks of the bbs. Both of these trades makes some kind of sense, and aren't just the product of the Rox screwing over another team's GM. They both do revolve around using the TE to bring in a bigger contract on top of our current roster, so Les might balk at the extra salary, but I do think they are worth the risk. Here we go: Scenario #1 The first part of this trade involves Houston and Golden State TE Future First Rounder for Dampier in a sign and trade with a starting salary of 6.5-6.9 million. Next we have 48 hours to move Dampier if he is to be packaged with other players. We can' just do a 3-way deal because we can't combine players with the TE, but we can use the TE to get players and combine them with players. The next part involves Houston and Phoenix. Dampier Pike Griffin for Shawn Marion I definitely think that GS would jump at this deal because they get a free first rounder for nothing. And Phoenix would do it because they move out Marion's max contract for a center that they need and make room for Amare and Johnson's future deals. The only sticking point would be if Les and CD want to take on another big contract, for a player that doesn't fill our need of a PG or Backup C. We'd be in "Big Spender" territory, especially in 2006, the first year of Yao's new deal, because we'd have T-Mac, Yao, Marion, and MoT all making big bucks for that one year. That would be Mo's expiring year, but if the luxury tax is still around in three years, then we'd be well over it. I think it would be worth it, and in terms of a PG, it might the perfect situation to do that Eisley for Spoon deal that was suggested in another thread. If the marion trade went through, we wouldn't have and TE left to get an Antonio Daniels, and we wouldn't want to take on any more contracts. So instead a tradeoff of contracts to fill a need would be better. Scenario #2 This was suggested by someone else in another thread. Not sure where that post is, because it got buried under one of the Kidd threads. This is a 3-way deal that involves Houston, Memphis, and New Jersey. New Jersey sends: Kidd to Memphis Memphis sends: Bonzi Wells or Stromile Swift to New Jersey Jason Williams to Houston Houston sends: Furture First Rounder to New Jersey TE to New Jersey So New Jersey sheds Kidd for a draft pick and either Wells or Swift (at a starting salary of about $6 million), Memphis gets the superstar they've been craving in Kidd, and Houston gets Jason Williams for a pick. Obviously Memphis would do this deal. They've been looking to do a 2 for 1 deal for a superstar forever. I think it would be a good deal for Houston because J-Will fills a need at PG. He's matured a lot in the past year under Hubie and he is an excellent passer and has been really been able to take care of the ball the past couple of years. Beside's Les' concerns about taking on new salary, the x-factor in this deal is New Jersey. Are they looking at a full rebuild situation, or would they just rather deal directly with Memphis and get Swift and Williams straight up for Kidd. That makes this deal only semi-plasible.
Theres a problem with your first scenario, If we signed Dampier we couldnt trade him until Decemeber 15th and with his history of injurys and underachieving I wouldnt take the risk that goes along with it. Not to mention Dampier is a Starting C and not a backup. No way he would be happy enough to play behind yao and he is just way too big and slow to guard PFs in the western conference.
Not true. After you trade for a player. You have a 48 hour window in which to package him in another trade. If you can't package him, he can still be traded 1 for 1.
The hell with Shawn Marion, if we can get Dampier lets just keep him and focus on moving Taylor for the best deal possible. A PF rotation of Dampier and Howard with Spoon playing some spare minutes is pretty solid. We could sign a cheap utility big man and let Dampier and the cheap C play backup minutes behind Yao.
That is incorrect. If we traded for Dampier, we would not be able to immediately trade him in a package with other players. http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#84 84. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts? A "no-trade" clause can be negotiated into an individual contract if the player has been in the NBA for at least eight seasons, and has played for the team with which he is signing for at least four seasons. They don't have to be the immediately prior four seasons -- for example, Horace Grant got a no-trade clause from Orlando when he signed with them in 2001. He had played for Orlando for four seasons, but had played for Seattle and Los Angeles in the interim. Very few players actually have one of these no-trade provisions. Otherwise, individually negotiated contracts may not contain no-trade clauses. The no-trade clause prevents the team from making a trade involving the player without the player's consent. In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances: For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the player is being traded in combination with other players. However, the team is free to trade the player by himself (not packaged with other players) immediately. This two-month restriction applies only to teams over the salary cap. (Also see question number 71 for a special case where players can be traded together in less than two months.) When the trading deadline has passed. Teams are free to make trades again once their season has ended, but cannot trade players whose contracts are ending or could end due to an option. For three months or until December 15th of that season (whichever is later) after signing a contract as a free agent or draft rookie. (Note: This does not apply to players who sign contract extensions or who renegotiate their existing contracts. These players may be traded immediately.) When the player is playing under a one-year contract and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the contract. Note: This includes first round draft picks following their fourth (option) season, who accept their team's qualifying offer for their fifth season. For one year after exercising the right of first refusal to keep a restricted free agent (however, the player can consent to a trade to any team except the team that tried to sign him). After claiming a player on waivers, for 30 days if the player was claimed during a season, or until the first day of the next season if the player was claimed during the offseason. A team cannot reacquire a player they traded away during that season (a season being July 1 - June 30) unless the player has been waived. There seems to be a lot of confusion about the first bullet item above. A lot of media mistakenly report that a player cannot be re-traded for two months under any circumstances, even by himself. This is not true -- Danny Manning's trade from Phoenix to Orlando, and soon thereafter to Milwaukee is one example of the correct application of this trade rule. Other media reports confuse the sign-and-trade rule with this one, claiming that the player can be re-traded within 48 hours or after 60 days, but not in between. Your statement that the TE can't be combined with other players is also incorrect. Since you are using the TE to completely cover Dampier's salary, then there is absolutely no reason that other players couldn't be involved.
Thanks. You ain't a trademiester on this board unless you've been schooled on the CBA by Gater or aelliot. So are you saying that this trade could be done as a regular 3-way deal.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought we couldn't package the TE in a deal. . .that it had to be straight up one player for the TE?
i dont think suns will give up marian for that ****, i know i wouldnt, but if suns wnna do it id do it in a heartbeat.
Can someone explain to me if we were to get Dampier, why the Hell would we trade away... and for a over paid 3, a position we have filled already... and lastly why the HELL would we want white chocolate? Please NBA start now...
reply to the previous post.... shawn marion is an excellent player, if we had a rebounder like him last year there is no way in hell we would be out of the first round playoffs. very underrated, although paid a lot....
