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Trump's postal service meddling

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    If you can riot in person, you can vote in person.
     
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    But what if you only riot through Zoom?
     
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    Ok so those people who “rioted” vote in person. The rest can vote by mail
     
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    OP. Before you start pushing theories to discredit the impending Trump win, make a thread about the Dems changing the rules of our election.... or how about mail/voter fraud...
     
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    Basically turn everywhere into Houston by leasing out toll roads to private interests.
     
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    https://theconversation.com/mail-in...-decentralized-system-could-be-trouble-143798

    Mail-in voting’s potential problems only begin at the post office – an underfunded, underprepared decentralized system could be trouble
    August 26, 2020 10.53am EDT
    Jennifer Selin

    While much of the recent attention on mail-in voting has focused on the U.S. Postal Service or on the likelihood of voter fraud, there is a lesser-known, looming problem for the November elections: The burden of mail-in voting does not just fall on the Postal Service.

    Approximately 8,000 local election offices in the United States will have a role in carrying out the 2020 election. These offices manage almost 186,000 voting precincts and rely on state, county and local employees to run elections.

    Some of these offices are poised to handle mail-in voting in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic. Others are not.

    Each state sets rules
    To carry out an election by mail, each of these hundreds of thousands of offices and employees will need to coordinate to make sure that ballots are processed in a fair, consistent and timely manner.

    What does this process entail? Take the example of Florida. In order to vote by mail, an individual must request a ballot from one of the state’s 67 Supervisors of Elections offices. Employees in each of these offices process requests according to standards set by Florida law and guidance from the Florida Secretary of State’s Division of Elections.

    Once a voter picks up or receives her ballot by mail, they may either mail the ballot back to the office that issued the ballot or return the ballot to a secure drop box. The office then reviews the ballot to make sure it meets legal requirements to be counted.

    Processed ballots go to the County Canvassing Board, which meets to certify the ballots and tabulate the results. Finally, the Canvassing Board reports the results to the Florida Secretary of State, who can order a recount if necessary.

    It is a complex process, involving multiple state agencies. And Florida’s process is not unique. Each state has its own set of rules regarding how to distribute, manage and count ballots.

    Decentralized election system
    The Elections Clause of the United States Constitution grants states the right to regulate and administer elections. This means that, while Congress has passed laws to expand election access and protect voting rights, the legal framework governing both federal and state elections varies state by state.

    This results in a highly decentralized electoral system.

    Money is one of the most important factors influencing how state and local governments run the 2020 election.

    In some states, local governments must bear the entire financial burden of election administration. In others, state governments will reimburse local authorities for certain electoral costs such as ballots or other voting equipment.

    Regardless of who bears the financial burden of elections, the universal and most frequent complaint from those who administer elections at the state and local level is a lack of resources

    The true cost of election administration – printing ballots, maintaining voting equipment, compensating election officials and disseminating voter information, among many other tasks – in the U.S. is unclear. Some estimate it at US$2 billion per year.

    Ensuring all voters have access to vote by mail is even more costly.

    The Brennan Center for Justice estimated that switching to universal mail-in voting access will cost an additional $982 million to $1.4 billion. This includes additional money for ballot printing, postage costs, security, ballot processing and storage, and more staffing.

    Not all 8,000 offices have the ability to shoulder these administrative costs.

    Unequal burdens
    Because not all states are equally prepared for mail-in voting, some states have to invest much more to ensure that they are able to process an increased volume of mail-in votes.

    For example, five states currently use vote-by-mail as their primary means of election administration. But more than 80% of voters in other states, including key battlegrounds like Pennsylvania and Virginia, cast ballots in person on Election Day in 2018.

    Introducing more widespread mail-in voting to states like these typically involves legislative changes, new government contracts and coordination across a variety of state agencies such as local elections offices and chief elections officials, boards, or commissions and new procedures for counting votes.

    The financial implications of the COVID-19 pandemic have made the switch to mail-in voting even more complicated. Decreases in state revenue mean that some state and local governments cannot afford to invest in election administration. According to Brian Sigritz, director of State Fiscal Studies at the National Association of State Budget Officers, “Some states are projecting revenue declines of up to 20% between now and the end of fiscal 2021.”

    While the CARES Act did provide $400 million to help state and local authorities, states are required to match 20% of the funds they receive. Some states simply do not have the money to do so.

    New York state Elections Commissioner Peter Kosinski put it this way: “More resources, more personnel, more funding, and more patience would help. It’s easy to criticize us, but it’s not easy to do our jobs.”
    more at the link

     
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    This guy sounds like the kind of person Trump would hire.



    That's the difference between an educated man and a con who sells snake oil, but can't read the ingredients on the can he's selling.
     
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    LOL at the Aussies and their sense of humor.

     
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    Ah so this is why Trump wants to destroy the postal system to win the election?
     
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    We may never be able to bounce back from this, I don't know. They stated a bipartisan group of USPS Governors chose DeJoy but all of them were selected by Trump of course by the Senate cockblocking Obama all those years. If Biden wins...heads need to roll 1791 French style.
     
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    Who is actually asking for Universal mail in voting anymore?
     
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    All Barr is doing is dropping a load of crap. Utah, a Republican run state, has had a system of mail-in voting for quite some time without any of the issues Barr is making up. 5 states use only mail-in voting without problems with fraud. Listen to Wolf Blitzer, who attempts to point that out to Barr, who constantly interrupts and talks over him. Barr is not only blatantly partisan, Barr is a liar.

    Why you are willingly blind to what trump, with help from members of the administration like Barr and trump’s new appointee to head the Postal Service, are doing to subvert the 2020 election is perfectly obvious. You simply don’t care how corrupt trump is. All you care about is that trump is re-elected. You don’t care how many laws trump is breaking in the attempt. In your own way, you are as corrupt as trump is.
     

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