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Trump threatens to decertify Iran deal despite Iran's compliance

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Oct 6, 2017.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Member

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    This will do tons of damage to our ability to negotiate and be seen a stable partner.

    Also, all this does is aid the economies of China, Russia, Japan, and Europe since they are refusing to repoen the deal.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...l-decertify-iran-nuclear-deal-washington-post

    Our alliances and our military leaders say that Iran is in compliance and it is stopping them from getting nukes.

    Yet this idiot doesn't care, he just wants to decertify it and collapse the deal and let Iran go back to making nukes. He is so stupid and doesn't get it that no one else is even going to negotiate with him. If the US leaves, than other countries will reap the rewards.
     
  2. FranchiseBlade

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    The sad thing is that this sends the wrong message to N. Korea and others in the future. If they see that even though Iran isn't getting nukes because they are sticking to the agreement they signed, but they might have more sanctions levied against them again, then there is no incentive for anyone to ever agree with the U.S. when it makes promises of good things for those that don't pursue nuclear weapons. Having nukes may be the only protection they have.
     
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    It already is damaging the USA brand. For our history, we've never had a president who just undid everything the previous president did out of spite. Doing that makes the entire world never want to make a deal with us if they know the next president will just completely change things.

    Trump is stupid. He doesn't realize that one of this strongest negotiating tactics is continuity and that the USA brand is one of steadfastness. By undermining the previous administration's deals he is undermining every deal he tries to make.

    Idiot.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    "USA deals are the best deals! And they're only available at the Sharper Image."

    Of course Two Scoops will damage our reputation. There are only two questions: just how badly will he damage it, and to what extent can the nation's image ever recover?
     
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    It is troubling that Trump can not articulate a reason to not certify. Our best guess is that Trump is trying to undo another Obama accomplishment.

    Our 12 year old in charge is at it again.
     
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    It was the worst deal ever negotiated. Trump said so.
     
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    dotards gonna dote
     
  8. Deckard

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    That's clearly what he is doing. It doesn't matter what accomplishment President Obama had during 8 years in office. Since Obama did it, according to Mr. trump, it must be done away with. A good question to ask is why? Why the obsession with President Obama? He is hardly a liberal, in my opinion. I would describe the former president as progressive, with an outlier in both directions here and there. Mr. trump? He is well and truly an adolescent, one who plays at being a fat old billionaire. He sees our country as a new toy to play with, one he hopes to profit from, and he is profiting. In the long run, he's going to end up losing money on the deal, in my opinion.

    Surely he isn't doing all of this bizarre stuff because President Obama is Black, right? That couldn't possibly be the reason.
     
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    From my understanding, Trump would decertify, but his admin plans to push Congress NOT to reinstate the sanctions. Meaning the deal stays in place, but Trump gets to blame Congress for it. It's purely a PR move on Trump's part, while doing lasting damage to his credibility and also giving Iran legitimate reason to distrust the US in the future.
     
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    He's doing it because Obama made fun of him at the White House Correspondents' Dinner.
     
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    What a brilliant reason for upending the country!
     
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    It makes the Zionists like his son in law and the neo-cons happy so they will continue to suppport him. It is also a reason to spend more on the military industrial complex. These are important constituencies that keep the moron from being impeached.
     
  14. Torn n Frayed

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    FIFY
     
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    Trump is a vindictive mother****er.
     
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    Couldn't sum up this presidency any better than that.

    It's like Obama short-sheeted his bed before inspection at the military academy when Two Scoops was 14 years old, and he is behaving accordingly, like a 14-yr-old bro.

    Only problem is that he's dragging a nation of millions along on his juvenile retribution crusade, as if people and policies and facts don't matter one bit.
     
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    These tactics will work with Trump voters though guys. The plan is so blatantly obvious that its insulting. Say you don't like the old deal, kick it to Congress, show the world that Congress can't get anything done, and then Trump swoops in at the last minute and "Saves the Day".

    At least that's what his little brain thinks is a good idea, and if he succeeds it will be a good idea politically because his base (sorry guys) is just really really ignorant, and will go with whatever narrative makes their guy look like Jesus.

    He knows his fans, and he knows this will work if he can do it.

    ............

    However... while Trump is playing his political game, he's ensuring that North Korea NEVER comes to the table to negotiate anything with the US, and he's threatening Israel in the process... who will take the heat and now have a bulls-eye on behalf of the US from Iran if we create an unnecessary threat in order to try political strategy.

    All the Christian Evangelicals that love Trump wont see this but they are unnecessarily putting the holy land at risk to score political points. Trump and his fans are just sooo freaking stupid. but this will work for them because of their political stupidity. All for a "WIN" in that you can erase Obamas name from a deal and try to put Trumps name on it.
     
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    I don't think this impact NK. They already made up their mind and they will never give up nuke. If anything, it reinforces that their strategy is the right one for them.

    This does have a direct impact on Iran and the whole region around it. People forgot how close we were to military action (by us or Israel) against Iran.


    Ending the Iran Deal is An Invitation to War
    Two former Pentagon officials game out the dangerous consequences of de-certifying the agreement.


    After President Trump fails to certify Iranian compliance—going against the assessments of the intelligence community, many of his own cabinet officials, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and European allies—the path forward is unclear. Congress will have to decide whether to respond by re-imposing sanctions. If it does, the JCPOA falls apart. Many U.S. allies will balk, and the likely outcome is a leaky, weak international sanctions regime that will not bring Iran back to the table, but will free it of its nuclear obligations under the deal.

    But even if Congress shows restraint, this step may still mark a blow to the JCPOA, shaking the confidence of the international community and giving Iran the high ground in arguing that the United States is not acting in good faith by taking the first step to dismantling the agreement.

    Issues with sunset clauses and ballistic missile programs are valid criticisms of the deal. And vitriol toward Iran’s regional behavior merits serious attention, albeit separate from the nuclear file. But none of them merit the risks the Trump administration is now inviting.

    Without the JCPOA, the United States would have, in the years between 2013 and 2016, likely faced much more profound questions of war and peace. As policymakers who work on the Middle East, we are used to choosing among terrible options, but these felt especially ugly.

    If President Trump chooses not to certify Iranian compliance with the nuclear agreement and in the weeks ahead takes risky steps that may eventually unravel it, we will not immediately face a crisis. But over time Iran is likely to restart its deliberate march to a nuclear bomb. This will not inevitably lead to war. But it will mean a significant increase in the risk that, whether it be tomorrow or 10 years down the road, a U.S. president will face the same difficult question we wrestled with years ago: risk a major war with Iran, or acquiesce to an Iranian nuclear weapon.
     
  19. ipaman

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    remember the awful ww3 we endured before the iran deal? neither do i. you facking idiotic plebs make me laugh. forget iran and focus on the voters, because these games work on the patriotic patsies. shelf the outrage, shelf the fear, focus on the voters, and try to win now and later.
     

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