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Trump 2016: Yes. We. Can.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Honey Bear, Aug 5, 2015.

  1. leroy

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    Heard about this one this morning. My only thought was, "I'd really like a taco truck on every corner. Sign me up."
     
  2. Cohete Rojo

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    Try having this kind of debate on MSNBC or Fox News.

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  3. Dei

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    Yeah, let's just turn the US into Mexico! Liberals can't even take a moment to take things seriously or they're Mexican.
     
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    Them too. But lots of GOP folks forgot it too.... It's amusing seeing the GOP playing the "system is broken" card. No more personal responsibility talk from the GOP in today's climate.... Seems Obama was right in 2008 when you and your ilk were playing the responsibility card.

    Now like at ya..... Trump is your nominee.
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    I really don't know what you were trying to say here, but I'll say this much, Clinton is definitely not the kind of candidate who would march on Washington DC for jobs and freedom. Honestly, Sanders was the Dems' candidate to do that.
     
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    I am saying the GOP no longer has the personal responsibility mantra. I am saying the lack of retraining and continuing education is a bigger job killer in the rust belt than Trumps claim of NAFTA.

    Honestly, if you knew anything about economics than Sanders isn't your jobs guy.
     
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  9. Cohete Rojo

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    So that's the problem with Detroit: lack of retraining and continuing education? Ask the Bernie Bros if that's true. They are almost all college educated, yet claim they are under-employed and can't find the employment they felt their education would provide (entitle) them.

    Also, let us not act as though switching from one career (industry) to another is as simple as "retraining" and "continuing education". I know someone who, in their early-40's: went to college (law), graduated with honors, started their own business, and yet still struggled with their business. This wasn't even an industry where illegals or visa workers really have much of a wage-depression effect.

    How privileged must one be to believe that the people of Detroit will just solve their problems with "retraining" and "continuing education"?
     
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    The sad truth of Detroit is that manufacturing under went a revolution in productivity where 6 out of 7 jobs lost were to automation, not foreigners. The profits of that productivity went to make the companies richer - they are doing amazing now but none of it trickled down to the working class.

    Job retraining isn't going to change the world for these people who don't have a job - but it's all they got versus working even a more menial job.

    If you want to revitalize the American worker - you have to invest into things that spawn jobs which we no longer do.
     
  11. Cohete Rojo

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    Seems like there is a shift in clutch fan rhetoric. Are we no longer going to berate the "they terk er jerbs" crowd with hostile accusations of ignorance and racism?

    BTW, what differences do people see between offshoring jobs and allowing illegal immigrants to "take" jobs here in the US?
     
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    Illegal immigrants spend the money they make here, build stuff here, and use stuff here.
     
  13. Dei

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    So, what, by your logic we should just let as many in as possible?

    Fyi, they send part of their earnings back home, don't pay taxes, use public services, take jobs away from Americans and depress wages for multinationals.
     
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    Reagan and Bush felt that way in the 80s.
     
  15. dmoneybangbang

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    You do realize there is the City of Detroit and the Detroit metro? The latter is doing fine as a very robust engineering hub for the auto industry, not to mention they still make stuff in Michigan (check out their exports).

    No need to switch careers but you can't stay in the CITY OF DETROIT and expect the golden age to come back. We make more cars than ever in the US, it's just that it requires a lot less workers and has moved significant output to places like Tennessee, Alabama, and Kentucky, even Texas makes a lot of Tundras.

    Bernie Bros and Trumpettes are ignorant about economics.
     
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    The thing about Trump for me is that deep down he is a sad sad man.

    If his luxurious, envious lifestyle had been just a ploy for his business then maybe I would understand that he as a person was genuinely satisfied.

    But with this campaign we know that is not the case. All Trump has expressed through his campaign is a sad rhetoric of pessimism, despair and defeat. So behind the giant facade of his personality we see the sad human that he is.

    This reflects greatly on his supporters.

    People who have done no wrong, but are just not smart enough to strive in their education or workplace. They seek a place of blame and that is the government.
     
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    You have to give it to Trump that the man knows how to save money. Maybe we don't really need to argue who pay for the wall. The wall will just build itself for free under The Donald.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-staff-idUSKCN1181CV

     
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    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...obe-into-clintons-private-email-server-227689


    Clinton told FBI she relied on others' judgment on classified material

    The FBI interview also seems to confirm that some of the emails in question dealt with U.S. drone strikes.

    When discussing a redacted email, for example, Clinton “stated deliberation over a future drone strike did not give her cause for concern regarding classification,” and Clinton “understood this type of conversation as part of the routine deliberation process.”

    The U.S. treats drone operations conducted by the CIA as classified, even though in a 2012 internet chat Presidential Barack Obama acknowledged U.S.-directed drone strikes in Pakistan.
     
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    Detroit has failed because the city did the bidding of the auto industries. The auto industry didn't want other industries entering the city and competing for employees or tax breaks. The auto industry inevitably slowed and Detroit was caught in a trick box.

    Does education solve everything? No, but innovation is a huge part of job growth, look at the computer based boom and medical booms. That created high paying jobs and actual economic growth. That doesn't happen without education and opportunities.

    As for Detroit, I lived in Ann Arbor for a few years and spent a great deal of time in Detroit. The city is FAR better than it was even 5 years ago and it has a lot of pioneer entrepreneurs. There is a massive Muslim population that own their own businesses and are growing the economy. A number of artists and millenials have move in as well. Detroit is actually a pretty city with a strong infastructure already in place. I think it has a brighter future now than I would have thought a decade ago when there was no hope.

    Also, political feelings aside, the Obama administration has successfully spent money and resources in Detroit with good success.
     
  20. Deji McGever

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    Finally, a REAL conservative. Make Texas Mexico Again!
     

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