[Truehoop] Picking the NBA's best rebounder so far

Where is the "Best Big Man in the League" Paul Gasol on that list? Oh, he's #34 behind #23 Lamar Odom.

 

I think it is a good stat. Rebounding is only one aspect of the game.

Scola got his rebounds while shouldering the scoring load of the team.

 

Or underrating his rebounding capabilities by this stat because Scola might have the capability but not enough effort to go for them because of his role.

Again, top 27 best rebounder is an over-achievement for Scola. happy for him.

 

To be fair, as I read the description in the OP's link, Gasol and Odom may be disadvantaged from playing together. It's no suprise that Howard and Gortat both rank highly, as Gortat never plays when Howard plays and they are both good rebounders.

But Gasol and Odom play together a ton. It would seem definition-ally they will both rate lower in this stat because of that. Moreover, I'd guess the rest of the Laker squad rebounds decently, too. Kobe certainly does. Ron Ron is an okay rebounder, etc.

Similarly, you don't see Duncan on the list, and Blair is probably lower then you'd expect as well. But I'd guess Duncan and Blair do some playing together, and the Spurs, coached as they are, are a solid, well rounded rebounding team.

Can you still take the results and say Gasol isn't a monster rebounder? Yes, definitely. He doesn't far and away outrebound the rest of his team. Even next to Odom, Dwight would still rank highly on this list, I'd guess.

 

Meaningful rebounding numbers are extremely difficult to come by.

For example this stat won't take into account:

• Bench players unlimited amount of energy.
• Higher likelihood of getting an offensive rebound on a 3 point shot.
• Successful box out leading to a teammate rebound.
• Successful tip to a teammate.

Therefore this metric favors athletic, bench warmers on 3-point shooting teams that prefer to jump for individual rebounds rather than box out.

 

I was just thinking about problems like this myself. I think it would be interesting to see a rebounding +/- stat. As in, how many rebounds did the team collect when player X was on the floor. Of course, such a stat would suffer from the drawbacks that normal +/- suffers from, but it'd just be an interesting slice at the data.

 

I'm pretty sure you get a rebound for that, no?

 

Duncan is #12 on the list. Plus, McDyess is #14 on the list. Blair is at #26.

Hey JazZ750, I was somewhat just having fun with the list. I see where you are coming from. Let's be sure to remember your point when Yao shows up low on the list once he gets his minutes up, that will be our excuse But the SAS list of players kinda pokes holes in your argument. And I would say that all true "monster rebounders" take rebounds away from their teammates, not the other way around. I wouldn't call Gasol a "monster rebounder." Gortat is probably better. A very good one, but not a monster. He certainly has done very well in the Laker's playoffs games the last two years after averaging 6.8 rpg in his Memphis playoff career. He has definitely gotten much better.

What Gasol's low ranking is supposed to mean mathematically is the Lakers have more rebound chances from a higher tempo (more possessions per game); thus his rebounds per game # is inflated like Scola's due to more chances vs other people on the top rebound list.

 

No rebound stat gives credit to the last two. Only would Morey give credit to those. So you can't single out this measure from any others on those two points.

I think the stat is OK, better than any other rebound measure. It's only flaw is overrating bench players (as you point out), who are playing against bench players, often not the other teams best rebounder. Sort of how PER overrates bench players.

I think that's a team rebound -- awarded to no one. I could be wrong, though.

 

hoopnumbers.com had this in their RAPM for four factors. Those seemed like some of the more useful advanced stats I've seen. Unfortunately, the site is down and it's creator is working with an NBA team.

 

Players like Evans, Camby, Wallace etc. their main job is to rebound and rebound now. Whereas players like Howard, love, Gasol etc. have to spend their energy on both offense and rebounding. So it is not easy to measure the TRUE rebound efficiency.

 

Yup. Evans competes with Bargnani for rebound %, how hard can that be. He is an amazing rebounder though.

 

K. Love has got to be number one after tonight...


Whether you're talking about advanced stats or not!

 

I think you get a rebound if it's ruled a "controlled tip."

 

http://basketballvalue.com/index.php

Has +/- for Dreb% and Oreb%. Not adjusted +/- (like pmac said, hoopnumbers used to give those when it was up and running last year).

 

who da hell is reggie evans??

 

One word...........nutgrabber.

 

hill is the bset