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[Truehoop] PER on Trial

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Hayesfan, Mar 25, 2009.

  1. Hayesfan

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    Long read, but I found it interesting.

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    My apologies... here's the link http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-38-359/PER-on-Trial.html
     
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  2. pmac

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    They keep pitching "real basketball knowledge" against statistical analysis. What is "real basketball knowledge"?
     
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    I don't recall Hollinger ever arguing his PER formula is Gospel. It is what it is: an all-in-one rating that attempts to measure a player's per-minute contributions. Offensively, it paints a great picture of a player's value to a team. Defensively, and Hollinger even admits this, the PER formula is unfair to the Bruce Bowen's of the world that play excellent defense but don't really record many blocks or steals.
     
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    I think the reason for this is you can see the result of a great offensive play (i.e. score or assist), while the result of great defensive plays is intangible. A lot of times a good defensive play results in an aborted or abandoned offensive set, and there really is no way to record that, right?

    Theoritically speaking if you have the data you can make a somewhat accurate defensive rating for every player in the league, but to do that you must track the exact players he had been guarding/matched up and for how long.
     
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    Right. I'm not questioning the PER formula itself. As we both mentioned, it's pretty obvious why the PER formula is unfair to the Bruce Bowen's of the world. My issue is not with Hollinger's inability to measure intangibles but with the writer's implication that Hollinger's formula isn't good enough because he's not taking "real basketball knowledge" into consideration or "appreciating" whatever correctly.
     
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    The fact that a guy who's never played a second round playoff game can have a higher career playoff PER than legends like Barkley, Abdul-Jabbar, Bird, Magic freaking Johnson proves how useless the number is.
     
  8. Hayesfan

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    Perhaps you aren't quite understanding what PER indicates. It's not saying that he's had more playoff success.
     
  9. pmac

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    Well, most people consider playoff success proof of how good a player is.

    One of the few things i do like about PER is that it makes it tough to objectively dismiss a player having a great year, like Wade is this year. Despite his team only being 5 games over .500 he has been amazing. Yeah, it's easy to score alot on a bad team but what about the rebounds, assists, steals, blocks, etc.


    Don't worry Antisonic, if Tracy Mcgrady plays a few more seasons after he comes back from this surgery his career PER numbers are bound to plummet.
     
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    LOL. That will get AntiSonic into high heaven for sure. :D
     

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