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Tribe all but vanishes from Kenyan city

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  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Member

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    Tragedy in Kenya is unfolding. They don't have oil like Sudan, but they're slightly more 'important' than the hapless Somalis that are being slaughtered daily by the Ethiopian military (with our full blessings/backing, unfortunately). So just in case you missed it...


    Tribe all but vanishes from Kenyan city

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080130/ap_on_re_af/kenya_ethnic_cleansing

    KISUMU, Kenya - The young man hefting a machete at the burning roadblock was frustrated. He'd been looking for five days, but could not find a member of the Kikuyu tribe to kill.

    Members of Kenya's biggest tribe have disappeared in their thousands from Kisumu, making it the first — but perhaps not the last — city to be ethnically cleansed.

    "If we find any Kikuyus, we're going to slaughter them or burn them alive," 19-year-old Daniel Odongo said Wednesday, who wielded the machete as a mob of hundreds of young men with rusty axes and other weapons roared their approval. "But there is none in the houses around here."

    When incumbent President Mwai Kibaki was announced as winner of Dec. 27 elections by a narrow margin after days of unexplained delays, many in Kisumu took to the streets of the city of 504,000 on the shores of Lake Victoria, looting and setting shops ablaze.

    The residents, mainly from the Luo tribe of opposition leader Raila Odinga, soon turned their rage on Kibaki's Kikuyu people — a minority in the western city resented for their domination of politics and the economy. They set Kikuyu homes on fire and ordered them to leave, or face death.

    At the local police station, records show that officers escorted out of the city an average of 21 buses a day packed with panicking Kikuyus in the first two weeks of January. That means about 20,000 people fled Kenya's third-largest city, leaving about 484,000 people behind them. It is not known how many Kikuyus may have fled on their own, but it is not believed to be much higher than 20,000.

    Now only about 150 Kikuyus remain, camping miserably opposite the police station for protection. No buses have been escorted out since Jan. 13, although murderous young men still stop vehicles searching for victims.

    Odongo lamented that the only Kikuyus around were being guarded by police.

    The Kikuyus trickling into the camp by the police station in the last few days are the poorest of the poor, as well as those with the strongest ties to the city.

    "If this continues, I can say goodbye to Kisumu," Donise Kangoro said sadly. The 50-year-old trader, who had not eaten for two days, has lived here for two decades, married a local woman from the neighboring Luyha tribe, and fathered two children.

    His wife and children returned to her people, but Kangoro hung on through the madness of the first days, when angry opposition supporters torched the homes of his fellow Kikuyus, and through the tense weekend when news arrived of faraway revenge massacres.

    But when he saw a howling mob hunting his neighbors through the streets five days ago, he knew there would be no mercy. He ran, leaving behind his money, food, clothes and goods to sell.

    There may be a handful of Kikuyus hiding in the houses of the wealthy, he said, but he doubts it.

    "We are the last Kikuyus left in Kisumu," he said.

    Government figures released Wednesday said the number of people forced from their homes has risen to 300,000, showing that ethnic cleansing has not diminished, and this threatens to redraw Kenya's once cosmopolitan ethnic map in areas like the Rift Valley.

    On Wednesday, the top U.S. envoy for Africa, Jendayi Frazer, said Kenya was experiencing "clear ethnic cleansing" in the Rift Valley region.

    "There was an organized effort to push people out of the Rift Valley," Frazer said. Now after weeks of deadly attacks, counterattacks and reprisals, she said "killing may be the object."

    In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said experts from the department's Office of War Crimes Issues were compiling information about the postelection violence but had not yet made any findings.

    "If they do document any instances of atrocities, we'll have to look at what next steps to take, but at this point we're not there yet," he said. He also noted that "ethnic cleansing," unlike "genocide," is not a legal term with a set definition.

    Asked if he was disavowing Frazer's comments, McCormack replied: "She said what she said, I am going to stick to what I said."

    The violence in Kisumu began when protesters started looting and police responded by firing into the crowds. Dozens were killed. Those shot, mainly Luos, were the first victims killed in this city.

    More than 800 people have died across Kenya, including scores in the Rift Valley this week when members of the Kalenjin ethnic group attacked Kikuyus in the town of Nakuru, and Kikuyus attacked Luos and others in the town of Naivasha.

    Outside the capital of Nairobi, meanwhile, about 300 unarmed Kikuyus gathered to demand that a scores of Luo people working at the Kenya Research Forestry Institute there leave. They set ablaze a grass field that was part of an animal feed research project, and police escorted a bus full of women and children out of the institute.

    When the killings began in Naivasha and Nakuru, Dorothy Atieno suspected the cycle of revenge would continue. The murder of an opposition lawmaker in Nairobi on Tuesday was the final straw.

    "I called a (Kikuyu) friend and told her to leave immediately or she would be killed," she said quietly, her painted fingernails toying with her pink skirt. "Luckily, she had already gotten out."

    At Nyamasaria Primary School, where Atieno is a teacher, almost half the 1,200 students were Kikuyus. They began to disappear after the election; now, not one is left, she said.

    In one of the worst attacks, Kikuyus chased 19 Luos into a shanty in Naivasha, blocked the doors and set it ablaze. Babies were among the dead.

    Odongo said that attack is what set him off on his vengeful hunt for Kikuyus.

    Throughout the town, the blackened walls thrust into the air like broken teeth in a row of fully intact houses. Many of these Kikuyu homes and businesses were attacked by neighbors who lived beside them for decades.

    Looters have done a thorough job, with even roofs and windows stripped away.

    Now children play in the ruins, where the only other sign of the victimized owners are a few torn photos and a Christmas card trampled into the mud.

    Six-year-old Nicky Ochieng, a Luo, said he took two books from the house where his Kikuyu friend, Maina, used to live. Asked whether they will ever play together again, he answered earnestly, "only if Raila becomes president." The other children giggled.

    The child echoed what adults here say: Vanished neighbors can only come back if there is a political solution to the allegations of electoral rigging, charges supported by international and local observers.

    Odinga and Kibaki began formal talks Tuesday, but the patience of their supporters is evaporating and the language of both leaders was brittle and combative.

    In that deadlock lies the only chance of redemption, said Kangoro, his words echoing those of the people who would kill him. Kikuyu and Luo residents agreed that an acceptable political solution would allow them to live together again. When Kangoro fled, he left his house keys with neighbors, trusting them to look after his home.

    "Not all these people are bad," he said.

    In addition to the ethnic violence, there also have instances of random killings — but mob justice is common in Kenya, even in normal times.

    At the roadblock, where graffiti on a flaming truck reads "We want guns," George Otieno insisted the dispute was not "on a tribal basis."

    Although he had gone hunting for Kikuyus without knowing how they voted, that was only to put pressure on Kibaki, he said.

    "This is purely political," he concluded, waving his machete to make his point.
     
  2. ymc

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    If Obama wins it, he might just put American lives on the line to do something about this. He can always sugarcoat it as some sort of humanitarian mission (which is true but does it worth any American lives?). :cool:
     
  3. Cesar^Geronimo

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    If anything is worth dying for it is preventing innocent people (including children) from being hacked or burned alive.
     
  4. Apollo Creed

    Apollo Creed Contributing Member

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    Seriously. That was sad to read.

    I think I honestly prefer ignorance when it comes to horrible stuff like this or Darfur and the like. It's selfish and does nothing to rectify the situation...but at least one doesn't get depressed...
     
  5. ymc

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    If you are rushing to Congo to help the millions that are dying at this very moment, I will take you more seriously. Helping others in need is noble but we also need to weight to what extent we are willing to sacrifice ourselves to help. There ought to be a line. My line is pretty close to being indifferent.

    Isn't selfishness one of the many virtues of a capitalist? :cool:
     
  6. Cesar^Geronimo

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    If I thought me going to the Congo would save millions of lives I would be on the plane.

    I am actively involved in making others lives better --- I don't go to the Congo but I do spend lots of time and odd hours in an high-crime innercity neighborhood, because there I know I'm making a difference. The gain is worth the risk.


    The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. - Albert Einstein
     
  7. krosfyah

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    Is it worth American lives?

    How can what is happening in affect Kenya affect Americans? Isn't that the same question about Afghanastan a few years ago?
     
  8. MadMax

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    is this the right question??

    i'm not arguing with you. just thinking it through.
     
  9. krosfyah

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    Somalia is an islamic extremest breeding ground.

    Darfur is occuring because of islamic extremists.

    Afghanistan occured cause it didn't have any sort of government and was ruled by islamic extremists.

    I'm not sure what will happen in Kenya if the government, which has been relatively stable in Africa, becomes unstable. So am I asking the right question? I can honestly say, I have no idea. But if GWB wants to make this world more democratic and generally a safer place to live, shouldn't he at least provide some basic support to a stable country to prevent it from sliding into chaos ...instead of destabilising previously stable governments (ahem ...Iraq).

    Islamic extremists seem to breed in areas with destabilized/decentralized governments.

    Western Pakistan.

    Palestine

    Afghanistan (post cold war)

    Iraq (post GWB)

    Darfur

    ...
    ...

    Let's not add Kenya on that list.
     
  10. meh

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    Maybe I'm just an a-hole, but reading stories like this makes me glad my life is at least stable and don't worry about getting hacked everyday. Rather than worrying about not having money for that cool new plasma TV or that annoying co-worker at the office.

    OTOH, these stories make me puke every time politicians talk about interfering in other countries for 'humanitarian' reason, when all of that is pure BS.
     
  11. Mr. Brightside

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    Some of my family members went on a safari in Kenya two years back. They wanted to go this year, and were advised not too by the travel agents.
    Its a billion dollar industry going to ruins in that country.

    As for the poor people in Africa, my belief system has me believing these people deserve to suffer due to the karmic debt they owe to society. There is no hell or heaven beneath the ground or above the ground, but rather there is heaven and hell on earth. The poor in Africa are currently in hell. Those living comfortable lives in America are in heaven due to the good they have done in their previous lives.

    The karma police are always watching you.
     
  12. Achilleus

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    People will just watch a documentary on this in a couple of years and leave thinking "never again!" Never again...

    :rolleyes:

    People have ADHD when it comes to humanitarian crises.
     
  13. Cesar^Geronimo

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    Wow! What a dangerous self-serving belief. A perfect excuse to care about no none but yourself.
     
  14. rhadamanthus

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    Wouldn't it have been quicker to just say:

    "As for the poor people in Africa, I'm an arrogant ******* and don't give a ****."

    ?

    Yeah, and I'm sure they agree with your "**** the innocent poor africans" ideology.

    Irony.
     
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  15. Cesar^Geronimo

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    If "Satan" were real his ultimate victory would be to get people to think like you.
     
  16. MR. MEOWGI

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    At least Brightside is honest. Yall are full of ****. What time do the Rockets play tonight?
     
  17. Cesar^Geronimo

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    So you are saying we are not being honest? That we really don't care about what's going on in Kenya? That we are all realy completely self-centered?
     
  18. rhadamanthus

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    What a sad little man you are.
     
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    this thread is gonna get ugly
     
  20. rhadamanthus

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    Nah. It's really not worth communicating with Meowgi since he dropped the buddhist shtick and went all "hostile-redneck".

    More than anything, it's interesting.
     

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