OK, I actually forgot about this but apparently Tramon was in camp back in 06 and released at the end of pre-season? What happened? The Texans braintrust didn't see any potential in him given the "Incredible collection of players in the secondary that we possessed?" Just watching him during the SB(I won't even mention the other games in the regular and post-season) and seeing how BenRKelly barely targeted Tramon's side of the field and when he did throw at Tramon(I think about three or four times), Tramon came up big time. How? Why? Please someone explain to me how he wasn't even deemed fit to remain on our practice squad? Did the Texans not even attempt to sign him to the PSquad or did the Packers just snap him up as soon as we released him? I WANT THE TRUTH!
Williams has always been a great athlete but when he first came into the league he was RAW. He only made it into one game his first year with the Packers (2007). Last year he was strictly a nickel guy until Harris went down, and really he only showed flashes. He's worked really hard to become the player he is now, I don't think anyone could have predicted in 2006 that he would become the player he is now.
Still the same for Arian Foster, nobody drafted him, and who would thought he would become the rushing leader this season, and also the player with most TD this season.
Don't be ridiculous. The Texans were loaded at the spot with the likes of Phillip Buchannon, Dexter McCleon, Lewis Sanders, etc. Players who were integral part of a 2-14 season. Players who would later become future hall of famers. You don't keep a raw rookie when you have such amazing depth. The guy just caught up in a numbers game.
Just imagine what Tramon Williams could have been if he had Alex Gibbs teaching him and Petey Faggins mentoring him.
Given that he wasn't drafted, it's pretty clear no one thought very highly of him in 2006. It's not like he was in demand for people's practice squads. I don't think you can blame the Texans here - he just did the hard work to become a better player over the last several years.
Good God, are we seriously discussing this over 2 different threads now?? Tramon Williams WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN A PRO-BOWLER ON THIS TEAM! This team has been piss-poor at developing the secondary since day number one. Why would Tramon Williams have been the lone exception?? First of all, he was here 5 YEARS AGO! It took him THIS long to come into his own as a player.....there is no way the Texans would have kept him for this long. Second of all, he was UNDRAFTED.....31 other teams passed on him too. Do we hear about how they are kicking themselves now?? It's the NFL.....odds are, at least ONE of the players you cut is going to go somewhere else and succeed. Everybody who steps foot on a practice field at that level has SOME modicum of talent.....it's just a matter of whether or not the other things (maturity, football IQ, overall intelligence, work ethic, etc) fall into place. Please, let this argument go already!
Can we stop this nonsense please? Talent is talent. Tramon Williams didn't just waltz into the pro bowl because of everyone around him. Of course he has better coaches and teammates in Green Bay, but if you think he wouldn't be an improvement for our secondary, you are fooling yourself. Saying he wouldn't have lasted this long with the Texans is more of an indictment of the Texans than it is Williams. Gotta love this defeatist attitude, "oh well, *insert decent cornerback here* wouldn't be able to make a pro bowl here, so why bother getting him??" No wonder this franchise sucks monkey butt.
The Packers are better than the Texans at every turn in this debate – wait, that’s not true: They’re monumentally better than the Texans. They have a better organization, better front office, better coaches, better teammates, a better defensive scheme, a better pass rush… better, better, better. If you don’t think that’s a *tremendous* factor in Williams’ development then, WADR, you don’t know a thing about football. Additionally, as stated previously, the Texans have not developed a single defensive back during Kubiak’s tenure. To assume Williams would have bucked a five-years-and-counting trend is unlikely. Did you know James Harrison - DPOY James Harrison - was released four times including 3 times by the Steelers? And the other by another team not known for developing good LBs: Baltimore? A lot of these guys, especially young players from smaller schools, are so raw and overmatched that it takes them longer to mature and develop. That's why its so disingenious to talk about them releasing "Pro Bowl cornerback Tramon Williams" - he was far from Pro Bowl caliber when they released him. So maybe his talent would have eventually emerged here fully formed here… right into a non-existent scheme with a liability at the other corner, no safety help, an ineffective/inconsistent pass rush, inexperienced coaches….. You're essentially arguing that a poor child has the same shot at success as a rich child. Yes, exactly. No one’s indicting Williams; I don’t think anyone here is arguing he’s not a talented guy. But sometimes that talent needs to find a better fit. Honestly, to say it would have been in Houston is giving credit to a coaching staff that, at least defensively, has not earned it.
yep, tramon williams is a coat tail riding no-talent hack and would not have the slightest chance in hell of being any better than any of the current defensive backs we have on this team. if you're basically admitting that the texans ruin most young talent they touch defensively, ergo williams wouldn't be as good in houston as he is in green bay (which I have already acknowledged about 100 times), that isn't an argument against williams... that's another argument against the texans. the bottom line will always remain: it is more than reasonable to think that tramon williams is inherently more talented as a football player than our current and (most of our) former defensive backs and the texans would be better off having him than not having him. if you want to pin all of his success on his teammates and coach, go ahead, whatever helps you sleep at night. go five n' seveners!!!
It happens. Some players work hard and get better over the course of their careers. Are the Texans supposed to keep every undrafted player that tries out for the team because of the off chance that they might some day develop into a Pro Bowler? If an undrafted player plays like crap during training camp, I expect ANY team to cut him.
What do you guys think, should we get a new Tramon Williams forum section? I don't think we have this topic covered enough - we definitely need more angles to this story.
Even if he played like s**t on a shingle, it would be nice to have a coaching staff that could either 1) make players better themselves or 2) be able to identify guys who will get better later on. But hey, at least he made it to the last cut right? Go Five N' Seveners!!!
