GOOD or BAD idea? Didnt see a discussion thread about trading Shane being a positive or negative impact. I honestly think that we should NOT trade him. I mean, when our team was down and not many people were scoring, he still knocked down a few threes here and there to spark things up. That's just me though. I say we should keep him. He's a GREAT defender. What's the use of trading him? Getting a steady,let alone Good pg? I think that it's really not worth trading battier. Although getting an upgrade at the 1 is a necessity,it shouldn't be done thru trading Battier. WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT TRADING BATTIER?
wingmen are much easier to find then good bigs or point guards. if he lands us a legit PG or PF then we have to do it.
A allstar PF is not the answer for this ballclub. If we can keep Battier, lure Mike James back home, and if the trade does go through with Snyder/Billy/Sura for Artest, we'll have a hell of a team. Adelman is bringing offense with him from Sactown. We still need defense on this team to win. A Battier/Artest tandem along with Yao in the middle will spell nightmares for any team and player. Yao Battier Artest McGrady James Deke Hayes/Howard (rotating) Tmac/Bonzi/Battier/Artest Head Rafer I dont care if you land a Jason Kidd for Battier.... I want the role player and defensive specialist over a playmaking PG.
He's bringing offense AND defense, doesn't anyone remember the fact that the Kings once led the league in defensive fg%? That said, I love Battier and want him on this team, but its not like if Battier is gone, our defense goes to nothing.
naive poster. whether we should trade battier doesn't hinge on battier himself. rather, it hinges on our personnel move in other areas of the team. Do we have a logjam at the wing position(say we successfully pull of an artest)? Can he bring superior value to our team( a sign and trade for rashard)? These are the questions that needs to be answered.
Exactly. And I'd add that Morey is going to be looking for the best value. If they feel a team over-values Battier and that they are able to receive more value than they lose in trading Battier, he'll be traded. It's as simple as that.
I think tha we should keep him. i would like to see what he could do in Adelman's offense. He could really do a lot to help out the transition, plus- he plays with such heart and determination. I would hate to give that upp for a guy who may have more athleticism, but be more like Swift.
Exactly!! Especially when we need players to be scorers more so than doing all the little things. Battier may have to go in the right circumstance, I hope Morey understands this!
you can plug almost anyone in @ small forward. that position typically just compliments the rest of the team anyways. to answer the question though... trading him is a good/bad depending upon what we get in return. if we do some r****ded "moneyball" trade for unproven NBA talent, then NO. if we get a good PF with a draft pick or we get a sizable PG and some bench help, then YES it's a great idea. though i'd miss him. he's just hustle all the way.
The following is a list of players available I'd trade Battier for in order of preference: 1)Lewis -- this is a true steal on the Rockets part if it happens; same thing goes for the Matrix of course, but I haven't heard of anything linking him to the Rockets 2)Artest -- this is a potential steal on the Rockets part if Artest behaves 3)Any draft pick in the top 12 -- deep draft as he was only worth pick #8 last year I would not trade Battier for anything else straight up....
Honestly guys Have any of you ever played real basketball? We have none what so ever team chemistry over the past 4 seasons. It would be good to have a consistent team for once. I mean sure we got knocked out of the first round. BUT HONESTLY, we are playing with a team that just started to get to know each other......I don't think trading Battier is a good idea, he was decent, a glue player and just fitting in. You can't expect a guy like Battier to walk in and score infinitely improved numbers. If he doesn't get traded i expect better numbers from this this year even if it was under JVG. WE need some team chemistry in my opinion
Battier is just decent. He is a good team defender but not a good one on one defender. Somebody like Artest is a big upgrade over Battier.
Battier hasn't been a "scorer" since his rookie season. You can wait until Hell freezes over and he'll still be a 10-4.5 player. He's a spot up 3 point shooter from the corner. That's it. Nothing more. And he forces McGrady to SG when he should be at SF. Yes...I have played and coached basketball. And Battier is at his maximum ceiling. I suggest rather than wait for chemistry and count artificial intangibles the Rockets go out and get some athletic talent. It's strange how posters keep forgetting the Utah series.
Battier is as good as it goes for a role player, every team needs one of those. Batter is a younger, better version of bruce bowen.
explain exactly how battier's better. hes more likable, certainly. but bowen shoots 3s better, can actually play lockdown defense, and has, despite his old age, actually improved his game by adding the ability to drive. and while you can count on bowen to hit big shots in the playoffs, battier can only be counted on to disappear. id say battier is a younger, worse, but more charismatic version of bowen. you have to remember that battier is currently our teams 3rd best player. that simply wont cut it. if we have to give him up to increase the team's overall talent, we HAVE to. battier can never, ever be the 3rd best player on your team. he's a great role player, nothing more, nothing less. if we keep him, we're asking him to be more than he is capable of being. that isn't fair to him and it isn't helping the rockets any. wake up and smell reality. love battier as much as you want, but don't let that love blind you.
The rockets gave up an 8th for Battier. Does anyone think that we can get a draft pick in the top 15 or top 20 for Battier. If Acie Law was to drop into the 15 to 20 range, mabye a team would take Battier for the right to draft Acie Law.
I hope Battier does not get traded, although I do understand he is the most attractive player the Rox are going to be willing to give up and most significant trades will have to include him. That is why I like the Artest idea, although Im not sure Sacto would be that interested in Snyder, Vspan, and the 26 pick. More importantly though is the fact that Shane has a very reasonable contract. His salary is comparable to the MLE and if he were a FA this summer he would definitely command that. Adding Lewis would be great, but that cripples us financially for the long term because that would mean three players at or near max level. People would still be screaming for a PF and PG upgrade but there would be no way to do it. I cant imagine Moneyball tactics include having three high salary players. I think the focus should be on Artest. If we get him without giving up Battier, that gives us an incredible defensive team assuming Artest can play the four cuz I dont think that worked well for Battier last year. Also this lets Shane become the fourth option on offense which I think would be ideal.
