Some tidbits, I feel really sorry for Mihm, his name is being bounced around so much in the top 5. Every team is trying to use Mihm to barter the best deals. Chicago being treated the worst as its common knowledge that they want Mihm. Other Clipper rumors, how many would do this deal? Drew and KT for Kandi and Nesby I know it doesn't have the 3rd pick which you guys would covet, but nevertheless would you guys still want to do this deal? ------------------ Check out the new and improved Draftsource.net
RF34- Is this a legit rumor, or just speculation? The reason I ask is that this seems too good to be true. Can even the Clips be this stupid? If so, then hell yes, let's do this deal asap. ------------------
Well, if it is legite, I actually see L.A. logic (kinda). They get there point guard, and a Pf that can be developed. Then they use the #3 to get Mihm. ------------------ Rudy's tips on how to win. #1. Score more points than the other team.
No, Kenny is too good to trade for Mike and Nesby. Plus Cato is better than Mike so why trade for what would be a backup. ------------------ THE DEAN HAS WRITTEN
Could someone puuuhleeez explain to me what the intrigue with getting Kandi man is? For all of you that love the trade, what the heck do you see in this guy other than he's 7'? Is it just pure potential? Is it 'cause he's 7 feet tall? I look at this guy's numbers on a lame team and he has done nothing. Shaq probably can't wait to play the Rockets with Kandi man here so he can go off for 60 points and 20+ rebounds on us, too. And you're willing to give up Kenny Thomas, somebody that at least shows signs of having a bright future in this league in this trade? I look at the trade mentioned above and just don't get it. Heck, I'd want Nesby more than Kandi in this trade. Here's Kandi man's numbers, you tell me what you see in these numbers : Mins/game : 31.2 PPG : 9.8 FG% : 43.7% (?!) FT% : 65.1% Reb : 8.2 (pretty good) The one thing I notice about his numbers on a game-by-game basis is, this guy is in foul trouble like crazy. I see one game where he played that juggernaut, Toronto, with their incredible post play. He fouled out of that game; the clincher? He only played 15 minutes! Now maybe that was an ejection but still, he racks up bench-time via the foul. In his last 10 games, he fouled out of 3 of them, had 5 fouls in 2 more, and 4 fouls in another 3. How about we compare him to Cato? The following are their stats (Cato/Kandi) : Mins/game : 24.3/31.2 PPG : (8.7/9.8) Points/minute : (.359/.314) FG% : (53.7/43.7) FT's attempted/game : (3.2/2.4) FT% : (64.9/65.1) Reb/game : (5.98/8.2) (finally an advantage) Reb/minute : (.246/.263) (but not much of one when you look at it per minute played) Turnovers/game : (1.09/2.21) Blocks/game : (1.91/1.75) Fouls/game : (2.7/3.8) If anybody can explain to me what you like about the guy outside of that magic word, potential, please tell me. I'm willing to be educated. Otherwise, if we want to pay somebody millions to sit on the bench, we already have that... keep your Kandi... please. ------------------ ? [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited May 22, 2000).]
Thank Goodnes finally someone that makes sense.... candy man sucks... that's all there is too it ! !! we do not need him . Cato has potential too ! ------------------ It's all about marketing !
Dr. of Dunk: You don't have to compare Cato with Kandi. I think everyone on this board pretty much agrees that Kelvin Cato has much more potential than Michael Olowokandi. IMO, if Cato played the way he played last preseason for an entire season, he could easily be a perennial All-Star (3 centers make the squad: Shaq, Robinson, ?). With good training over the offseason, work on his rebounding techniques, I could easily see Cato being a 12, 11, 3 guy (my dream center). Olowokandi, on the other hand, has the potential to become a decent NBA center. He's averaging and 9 and 8 right now, and I'm sure with a little bit of work with the Rockets frontcourt people, he could raise those averages. Again, nowhere near Cato's potential, but capable of becoming a decent starting center. If we brought on O'Kandi, it would be as insurance for Cato. It would allow us to trade Cato for his value (if he doesn't continue working hard this summer), and still have a decent center to work with. I'm not so sure about this particular proposed deal. I would bring on O'Kandi after trading Cato (if indeed we do deal him this summer), not this early, just in case Cato really has changed. Nesby is a player I really like. He's an athletic small forward, who can do alot of utility things on the court. However, with the Rockets likely drafting at #9, what's the need for Nesby when the most probable pickup will be Mike Miller (a player who I would love to have on this team)? Then you have Kenny Thomas who really fits in well with this perimeter offense, with his penetrating ability. I don't want to give up Kenny so quickly. And last of all, Bryce Drew. Everyone is writing Bryce off as a goner, but do we really want to trade Bryce? I think he fits this team beautifully. The common notion on this BBS is that Bryce is a half-cout point guard, when on the contrary, the strength of his game is pushing the ball and shooting the three in transition. I might hold on to Bryce and wait for Moochie to make a decision. In conclusion, I would only make this deal after a Cato trade, because at this moment, we don't need these players. ------------------ "I don't care how tall the guy is, trade his ass!"
VeggieHead, I agree with you if Cato's gone, we should maybe make an attempt to get him as a replacement. But to trade Kenny Thomas to get him while we have Cato is something I wouldn't do. Nesby isn't a bad player, but his FG shooting is horrible. Then again, he has a thing for lighting Pippen up, doesn't he? ------------------ ?
Some of you say that Cato has more potential than Olowakandi. I don't agree, but even if Cato did, I still say do this trade. Kenny is a good find, but it is much much harder to find a good center than a good power forward. Am I saying that for sure Kandi will be good? No. But like Cato, he COULD be. And I bet after next season Kandi won't even come close to the salary Cato now makes. Basically, this deal makes Cato and his contract expendable. Cato has what seems to be good trade value, and also a contract that is too big. Getting Kandi gets a guy probably equal to Cato but with a much smaller contract. Also, the Rockets get a very solid player in Nesby for Drew, who is worth practically nothing to the Rockets. I would definitely do this trade, because getting Olowokandi gets us a player very similar to Cato in potential, but with a much smaller contract. Almost any deal that can potentially get us rid of Cato and his huge contract is a plus. It has been rumored for months that the Rockets want to get rid of Cato, but the reason they can't is because of the gaping hole they'd have at center. This can fill it, and we can draft Moiso to replace KT's spot in the rotation. ------------------
Ok, we can free up money. Outside of that, we are taking a step down as far as I'm concerned at the center position. You also say we'd be giving up Drew for Nesby. No, you'd be giving up KT and Drew for Nesby. You are getting an IMO inferior center and an average to slightly above-average player in Nesby, giving up a talented forward in KT, giving up a quality PG in Bryce Drew, and hoping somehow whoever's at #9 turns out good. All I see is you get a worse center to get some cap room. I can understand that. Just don't anyone tell me we're getting Kandi because we think he's a great or even very good center. He's not. ------------------ ?
Actually cabs, miller should be gone by the time we pick. The most likely destination is to Atlanta. Many fan mocks follow Monters thinking Courtney will go there with the Hawks needing a scorer, however Atlanta needs a SF more than a SG, and with Courtney having some troubled past, it will mean the difference b/w Miller being selected. The most probable pick for us should be as The Cat said Jerome Moiso. I'm sure now with Moiso and not Miller in the equation, Nesby makes more sense. Ah DrofDunk, you're doing a good job analyzing the trade. At first it seems great if unbelivable, however if you really think about it, you start getting mixed feeling as you realize Kandi isn't so good and KT is a damn good player. ------------------ Check out the new and improved Draftsource.net
rocketsfan34 -- did you catch The Cat's question? DrOfDunk -- well said on Kandi. I agree... but Olowokandi certainly looks great when it's a choice between him or Big Contract, err Big Country. Got to admit though also -- who gets pumped up playing for the Clippers? Look what happened to Rodney Rogers' career when he got out of there. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Sorry about that the Cat. It is a legit rumor, as this is one of the many variations of the Rockets/Clips deals that HAVE been discussed. Rockets intent with trading with the Clips was to get #3 pick(Swift). Unfortunely, it seems Clipper are intent right now on picking the leftover PF. Similar proposed deals: Cato, 9th, Drew, for 3rd, Kandi (This ideal deal died the fastest) Cato, 9th, Drew, KT for 3rd, Kandi, Nesby KT, Walt, Drew, 38th for Kandi, Nesby, 18th Cato, Drew for Kandi, Nesby KT, Drew for Nesby, 18th ------------------ Check out the new and improved Draftsource.net
i just can't see preferring kandi over cato. IMO, you've got 2 centers which have, in most people's opinions, underachieved. however, with cato, i have at least seen glimpses of what he can become - a defensive force, an average rebounder, an excellent finisher, and a decent shooter (10-12 feet). kandi has never shown me much. yes, he's a good rebounder. but his offense sux royally. he isn't a good finisher (esp. for a 7 footer). he can't shoot. he isn't a defensive force. he was a disappointment from the second he was drafted (tell me one person who thought that was a good pick when he was drafted, or afterwards.) so why get kandi? because of a small contract? sorry, that's not good enough for me. unless you can bring me a proven center with a similar or smaller contract, i'll stick with cato. why? because there isn't any other young, unproven center in the nba who has more potential, a smaller contract, and is available. people, give the man time to develop. everybody's so high on theo ratliff right now. in case you didn't know, he isn't a rookie. he took time to develop into the shot blocking, dunking fool that he is now. if you have a question about his work ethic, well, i say give it time. how much? let's say another season. he still will be young, still will be talented, and still will have trade value. but you don't ever give up on a young, athletic center who has shown what he can do this early in his career. ------------------ miles ahead of the rest
Pimp, lets just say the Staples bartender hears a lot of stuff. ------------------ Check out the new and improved Draftsource.net
What exactly is a "legit rumor" anyway? On a side note, I am in agreement that Kandi is not worth losing KT and Drew. The guy has been in the league for a few years now and has not improved one bit in my opinion. I have heard "legit rumors" that he is lazy, has no work ethic, and has a tendency to be out of shape. AAAGH! You never know what a new team and a new start far away from Clipper-land would do for the guy, as Clutch stated, but why take a chance? I shudder at the thought of Kandi in the pinstripes. ------------------ HOOP-T Hey Shaq, Acme called, and they want their bricks back!
I honestly think that the deal is to good to be true. I really don't mind seeing Kandi at center, and Cato at PF. Did the Spurs mind having 2 centers on their starting lineup? I'm not comparing Kandi and Cato to Robinson and Duncan (hell I'm not even close)... But the potential of Kandi has always been raved since the draft 2 years ago. I'm sure he hasn't lost his agility and size in his 2 year tenure with the Clippers. I remember Cato when he was with the Blazers, he was nothing but a one-dimensional shot blocker. Since joining the Rockets, it showed that he can do much more, maybe perhaps he'll break out next year. The same can said for Olokowandi, he hasn't shown much with the Clippers. However, he never had the supporting cast that could bail him out if he made mistakes. With a lesser role and good teammates, Kandi can eventually develop into a good center. True, his play has yet to develop into the play you expect from a #1 pick, but I think his talent is undeniable. I think having Cato and Kandi on our frontline is the right direction for rebuilding. However, I don't see the Clips making that deal unless they get Mihms in the draft (so they can have a legitimate center of their own). If the rumors are true though, I'd heavily endorse the roster move. ------------------ Louisville Rockets my ass
