Houston Trades Glen Rice Kelvin Cato Cuttino Mobley Eddie Griffin Houston Receives: Gary Payton Jason Caffey Joel Przybilla Desmond Mason (Without contract extension) Milwaukee Trades: Gary Payton Jason Caffey Sam Cassell Joel Przybilla Desmond Mason Ervin Johnson Milwaukee Receives: Kelvin Cato Tito Maddox Theo Ratliff Jason Terry Dion Glover 2003 Atlanta First Rounder Atlanta trades: Theo Ratliff Jason Terry Dion Glover 2003 First Round Pick Atlanta Receives: Eddie Griffin Cuttino Mobley Sam Cassell Ervin Johnson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's a huge trade, I think around 12 players (?), but I think everyone benefits. Basically, Milwaukee gets bigger, stronger, younger and a first rounder. Houston gets Payton but have to take on Caffey and Przybilla's horrendous contracts, and will have to let Mason walk after one season (no money for contract extension). So basically, everything we traded for Gary Payton and one year of Desmond Mason. I think Posey is out of the question after this trade. As for Atlanta, I think they come off very nicely. Brilliant backcourt, and a budding young star to play alongside Glenn Robinson. Nazr Mohammed and Ervin Johnson will be covering at C though. Thoughts?
Nevermind, I only looked at the trade, not the explanation. If we got GP, but had Mason for only 1 year no way the Rocks would do that.
Anytime we talk trade, I always bring this one up because i think it would solve our problems of a inconsistent offense, give us a versitile low post scorer and rebounder without a ego. Houston trades : Mobley Griffin Taylor to atl for: Shareef Glover lotto protected pick in 05 Atl gets a sg in Mobley, a scoring 4 in Taylor and a player with upside in Griffin. We get a 4 who can actually score and rebound and would mind being 3rd wheel and a sg whom we could use the yr to evaluate or keep in case posey leaves. The salaries work and would help our team evolve into more of a team. Cato's salary wouldn't be as bad with him backing up Ming for 9 or 10 mins and SAR for about the same. Posey can move to the 2 and Morris,Nachbar and Rice can battle for the 3 spot. If the Rockets play well with SAR, he'll resign, if not his contract is up in 2 season which is the same time Ming is due for a extension.
So you're saying only Milwaukee wouldn't do it? Despite ending up with this: Kelvin Cato/Ratliff Mason/Ratliff Tim Thomas/Toni Kukoc Redd/Dion Glover Jason Terry/Draft pick (ATL)/Titto Maddox Are you absolutely sure? Basically, Tim Thomas gets his opportunity toearn his contract, Terry gets lots of shots, and Redd gets tons of open looks. Considering that draft pick could be Kirk Hinrich (sp?), this could be a #5 seed, MUCH younger than before, and with the fiercest frontcourt in the EAST.
Reef? Doesn't 7 losing seasons make you the slightest bit nervous? Reef is NOT a PF in the West. If he was, that's what the Grizz would've done to him. He cannot play PF in the Western Conference. I'd rather play Griff at PF next season, he's as likely to improve as Reef is to regress. You pick up too many bad habits playing on losing teams - for 7 seasons.
Jason Caffey Joel Przybilla They can NOT play in the West. They suck! Maurice Taylor would be our starter? AHH. But of course...not too bad... Gary Payton/Moochie Norris Steve Francis/Juaquin Hawkins Desmond Mason/Bostjan Nachbar/Terence Morris Maurice Taylor/Jason Caffey Yao Ming/Joel Pryzbilla Hmm.......hmmm....hmm...good trade! We would improve! Our bench would suck. But our starting lineup would be very good. Just....man lol. That trade is very complicated. Too many players involved. I'll check it out later.
í'm not to fond of this trade, if we really let mason walk after one year, then it would be Glen Rice Kelvin Cato Cuttino Mobley Eddie Griffin for Payton. i think we can do bettter, payton is getting old. i want a big man for these players, and a good guard. but we al know Ming çan't play the whole game, so we need a good backup and with this trade we do nto have any and i also do not think the bucks would do it, because they just traded allen away for Mason adn Payton
Just so you know, the Bucks ALREADY have the Hawks 2003 1st round pick via the Glen Robinson trade. So you have to pull that off the table and the Hawks can't give you their next year due to the rule of trading picks on back to back years. I do think the Bucks are a PRIME trading partner with the Rockets concerning Kelvin Cato. The Bucks DESPERATELY need front court help in the post. Too bad we could not broker a deal with Cato to have gotten Ray Allen before the trading deadline!
I don't think you can really get a trade of 15 people done. Gary's not the same player. He's not a d stopper anymore. He's old. He's going to lose the post up, and slow down, then what you got? Mason's not the shooter we need. Pass.
I agree that the Bucks could make a good trading partner concerning Cato, and I think that the Rocks would be silly not to trade Cato. He had a terrific season, but he is still over paid for his role on our team. We might even be able to take MoT. I would be interested in looking at Haislip as an inclusion. He is 6'10" and supposedly benches 400 lbs. He is raw, but if we were able to get a PF via another trade using Mobes, Griff, Rice, or any combo, we would have physical guy that could give us minutes at the 4 and 5. I am not sure who I would want as the principle of the trade. If looking at B-ball ability, GP would be the obvious choice. HOWEVER, he has a major attitude, and it concersn me that a lot of the players in Seattle were glad to see him go. Cassell is the sentimental favorite, but with SF and SC all O no D = not good!
The responses or so encouraging, because there's no concentration on one team. You guys are almost equally trashing all sides of the trade, which is the most encouraging thing for a trade proposal. Wow, I actually came up with a decent trade, lol. Here's some things to consider: The improvement in the Bucks frontcourt is being WAY underrated. Cato/Mason, with ratliff backing up both positions? That's possibly #1 in the East, and gives you a solid shot at the West. Think about that for a second. I think they'd be more than happy to trade the ageing backcourt of Cassell/Payton for THAT as well as Jason Terry. Personally, I think it's a very balanced trade, and the responses seem to support that.
Oh, just to add to that: We aren't trading for the Glove who too Seattle to the Finals. I'm hoping Gary Payton can do these things: 1) Defend. Not NBA ALL DEFENSE, but at least he can defend both backcourt positions, and demands respect in that category. 2) Be a leader/motivator/on-court-coach. 3) Teach Francis the little things he needs to get to that level as a PG/SG. Especially defensively, Francis has the effort, but can get the knowledge from GP. 4) Balanced offense when needed. We don't need 20 points from him. 15-18 points is fabulous if he can bring that. I assure you, his 3-pt percentage will be brilliant with Francis demanding attention outside and Ming demanding attention inside. 5) Bring roughness and attitude to our team. 6) Know where to give the ball to Yao and Francis. His experience of playing with another PG is a bonus. We dont' need triple doubles, and holding players to no field goals. I'm looking for the Payton we saw after he was traded to the Bucks. That's more than good enough.
So I guess those other 5 seasons didn't mean a thing in which he played the 4 spot in the West? I guess the same thing i was telling people or posters about Bibby still doesn't have weight in this forum. Yes its known that SAR has been on some loasy teams and yes he may not be a superstar player, but what he is is very,very consistent and still very, young. Its been a number players throughout this league who were good players on poor teams. Bibby was thought of on this same board as overrated. I'm not saying he's one of the best pg's in this league, but what he showed in the playoffs is that he's heady and tough. Most people saw his breakout as a surprise and even knocked the trade of the highlight minded Williams for the plain vanilla Bibby. What happened was the team played a whole lot better then and now. Anytime someone as a player is labeled a loser, its really unfair. Players need coaches just like coaches need players. If Jerry west was in charge, does anyone on this board think that SAR would have been traded for Lorenzen wright and Brevin knight? Does any gm besides Barone or whoever was in charge trade Mike Bibby for J Williams? I'm sure you find alot of players who didn't win because of poor management and stuff like that. How much closer would that Grizzly team be had they kept Bibby and SAr and had a good coach coaching that team as opposed to sidney Lowe? He can be bashed by anyone on this board, but as many times i've seen the guy play in Vancuver and in Atl and anyone who watches him knows no matter where you play him, he'll get you 20 pts 8-10 rebs and 3 asst on about 14 shots and shoot 47% from the field. Other than Ming, how many players do we have on our roster that can do that and be that effecient. We know for a fact that none of our power forward can come close to that production.
people knocked the trade from the kings perspective?? i thought everyone thought the kings were ripping the grizz off who just wanted a highlight reel guy to put butts in the seats for their pathetic franchise. as for the original trade, i don't like it from our perspective at all. we don't get to keep mason, and payton is getting old and will be good for only a few years anyway. and while i agree SAR is better than what we currently have, i don't feel he is the solution at the 4 as i don't know what kind of D, if any, he brings, and something about him just doesn't inspire me to want him on this team.
