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Trade Francis, Start Mobes at the 2, Sign or Draft PG

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Pass 1st shoot 2nd, Mar 20, 2002.

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  1. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Mobley is doing too well a our shooting guard. Francis is a SG playing PG. Solution: trade Francis, sign veteran Pass 1st, shoot 2nd point guard and draft a PG with a team mentality.

    I get slammed for this all the time, but Francis is not a good point guard. Even without headaches, he can't do better than a 3:2 assist:turnover ratio. Sure, Francis scores and rebounds, but we can address those needs through the draft, free agency and by making Mobley the man in the backcourt.

    The other solution is to slide Francis over to the SG slot, and either bench or Trade Mobley. But as stated above, Mobes is playing too well and Francis has star-power for trade value. Simply put, we'll get more fro Francis than Mobes.

    I am being sacreligious here; I'm just stating my position. But as exciting as our backcourt is to watch, the problems we have there are due to Francis.

    P1st, S2nd
     
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    With Francis: 23-22
    Without Francis: 2-20

    Now how are the problems due to Francis again?:rolleyes:
     
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    I'm sorry, as long as that seems to make a bit of pseudo-sense to me, I could never imagine Stevie in a different uniform. The thing is, if we trade him, there's no telling whether what we goet in the trade will work out like Franchise. I would sorely miss Stevie Franchise. Sorely. And I know he will try to do whatever it takes to get us to the playoffs.

    All I'm saying is, we'd need to get something real, real good in exchange. Real good.
     
  5. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    mduke:

    That statistic is inflated. Without Francis, we have used Moochie. I am talking about using a starting quality PG who can pass and score wiithout making bonehead turnovers.

    Look at the PG's coming out of school and what we could get for Francis. Do you like literature? Mark Twain said that there are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics. "2-20 without Francis" is too simple to address. We are still a bad team when we have Franics in the line-up. Keeping our frontcourt intact won't solve anything.

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    When we have him in the lineup we are over .500. How is that bad?
     
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    pass 1st:

    We're a mediocre team with Francis. That stat is somewhat misleading - because it doesn't show what the team would do with Francis and without Mobley. But it still shows that he's extremely valuable.

    But why? Do you expect Griffin to not improve at all? If Griffin lives up to even 3/4 of the potential he's shown this year, then... well, our front court will improve drastically. Add mo back to the mix, and that's got to be worth a few more wins. I'm not counting on Rice ever being productive again... but if he's able to contribute again, that makes us a bit better, too.

    When a team is as young as Houston and is beset by injuries... then improvement is almost a certainty.
     
  8. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Haven:

    Correction-I meant to say backcourt, i.e. guard line-up, not frontcourt as in spots 3-5. Sorry for the confusion.

    P1st,S2nd
     
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    Trading Francis would be dumb. If anything, Francis is TOO unselfish and looks for his teammates too much. He might be the 2ns best PG in the league behind Kidd, and he is definitely the best all-around PG. You can always find better shooting guards than better point guards, so Stevie is definitely a keeper.
     
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    Obviously I don't reply often but, I just gotta. I say trade mobley move Francis to the 2, and start Moochie. Now I would love to see Mobley as the sixth man of the year but, would he?

    Next draft the pg from the Czech Republic with one of our later picks. Jiri welsch. He's 6-6 205 22yrs. old. (Check him out at nbadarft.net) Would be perfect with a 6-3 Francis at the 2.

    Try to make some magic to get either lewis or odom. (preferrably lewis because of his 3pt shooting and rebounding.)

    Or we could just try to trade Francis for Duncan staight up...
     
  11. getsmartnow

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    Ahhh!! My eyes are burning!!!!


    My eyes......ze goggles do nussing!
     
  12. Jeff

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    Trade our best player for a veteran point guard who passes first because that's what point guards are supposed to do and, oh yeah, we can fill his scoring in the draft. What a great idea! I can't believe the Rockets haven't done this yet.

    :p
     
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    I might not be against the idea if 1) Wagner or Jason Williams is the best player available when we draft; 2) Francis headache situation remains uncertain in the offseason, and; 3) we can get a) a top of the line young front court player like Nowitski (like Dallas will ever let him go) or maybe Brand (maybe the Clips have to throw in a pick too unless the headache thing look worse) or b) one of a select group of best swing players (Kobe, T-Mac or maybe Paul Pierce or Vince Carter--I am not sure if I would trade Franchise for Carter though, perhaps like with Brand only if the headache situation looks real bad for the long haul). I would also make an exception for a couple of 25+ year olds c)--KG, Duncan and Shaq--that is it. I guess our best chance would be the Lakers losing this year, Shaq and Kobe scapegoating each other for it, and one of them HAVING to go this offseason.

    If these 3 conditions (1,2, 3a,3b, or 3c) are met I could open the discussions.
     
  14. Pass 1st shoot 2nd

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    Jeff:

    You are so along for the ride that if we had Mugsy Bogues as our center, you'd say that we shouldn't trade him for Shaq. Look, Francis is A SG, NOT A PG. Mobley is a SG, and playing like an all-star. By trading Francis or moving him to the 2 with Mobes off the bench, and finding somebody to play PG we will be better off.

    I actually said use a veteran and/or a draft player to fill the void left by Francis' departure. Francis isn't Jesus or even Hakeem to this team. Really, try to respond to reasoning with reasoning rather than smilies and off remarks.

    P1st, S2nd.
     
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    jeff, don't forget we're gonna fill his rebounding through the draft as well. wow, we must have alot of picks :rolleyes: our backcourt is set for atleast 10 years. steve and cat are both talented as hell, let them just mature.
     
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    In his short NBA career, Francis has not excelled at the shooting guard position. He's a point guard.
     
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    francis really isn't a pure nething guard. hes a combination of a PG n SG. no matter what position he plays he is far n away our best and best all around player.
     
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    Maybe this is why Steve has all the migranes. Last two years he was ripped for not shooting enough, this year every other post wants to trade him becuase now he shoots to much at the point.
     
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    Francis also has tremendous upside. I think once he learns how to trust his teammates and make smarter decisions, he will be a top 2 point guard in the league. He also has matches up well with Cuttino Mobley in the backcourt.

    So to your trade proposal, no.
     
  20. cassell4mvp

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    i think we should keep both francis and mobley... it's rare nowadays to have a team that loves to play with each other so much, the team bonding and chemistry is very special, it ranks up there with the friendships of Stockton and Malone, Jordan and Pippen

    i love playing ball, and i find myself playing better when i play with friends, there's a whole new level of trust and chemistry b/c of the friendship rather than just basing it all on athletic skills,

    the reason we stink this year is due to all the injuries, injuries really messed up this season

    ... however i do agree that Francis is more like Iverson, a shooting guard, too bad mobley and francis play the same position
     

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