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Trade Concept for Rockets (Dependent on Luxury Tax)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, Jul 15, 2007.

  1. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    Here is an idea for a trade concept (not necessarily a specific trade) for the Rockets, given their current roster situation. Keep in mind, this type of trade is dependent upon (a) how far below the luxury tax the Rockets will be after signing Scola, Hayes, Deke and Landry and (b) how close to or above the luxury tax their potential trade partner is. Also, this type of trade could be used as a "last resort" in case the Rockets cannot seriously upgrade the roster any further.

    The Rockets could package Bob Sura's contract with two or three other contracts (from among Snyder, Reed, Butler, Novak and JLIII) to a team that is over (or dangerously close to) the luxury tax. In exchange, the Rockets would take a higher salaried player with one or two years left on his deal (preferably one). The other team could then waive Sura and perhaps one or two of the other players. If the other team is over the luxury tax, Sura would save that team approximately $6,600,000. Plus, by waiving one or two smaller salaried players, the other team saves more (or, should I say, spends less) than if it waived the higher salaried player. In consideration for the Rockets giving the other team some luxury tax and general salary savings, the other team could give the Rockets a future first round pick.

    For example, let's say that the Rockets offered to take Malik Rose (and his approximately $7.8M salary) and a future first rounder from the New York Knicks in exchange for Bob Sura, Justin Reed, JLIII and perhaps some filler. The Knicks save millions, and the Rockets trim the roster and get a future first round pick.

    If the Rockets are not above the estimated luxury tax, it's a win for the team. Better to make a trade like this than to let Sura retire and just end up waiving other players to get the roster down to 15. Plus, in the example above, the Rockets would get Rose's salary off the books next summer.

    Again, this is a trade CONCEPT, so I'm not promoting any specific trade. I'm just wondering if Morey and the front office have considered this sort of strategy if they cannot otherwise upgrade the roster.

    Thoughts?
     
  2. JD317²

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    you should post this in the random rocket trade thread.
     
  3. RedRowdy111

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    ha, the rookie told you, lol
     
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    if the knicks willing to pay a $34 million luxury tax this year, I don't think they care too much about being over.
     
  5. Williamson

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    I would think moves like that are the kind of thing Morey does look at once the roster is set. He's looking to improve our assets in affordable ways. Acquiring a decent sized contract to trade in a year or two when it's expiring and a first round pick would be a sensible thing to do if it's possible. We'll see.

    I'm not entirely sure he's done working on the roster. We certainly have too many players now.
     
  6. ArtV

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    I think we are going to have to cut Sura to keep us from going over the LT - and I don't think we will be able to sign Deke to even the Vet min without going over the LT after signing Scola and Hayes.

    I think there will be some minor tweaks to the roster, but I feel this is pretty much it. We have a good team we just needed to address some issues which I think we have. We don't have ideal situations in all positions and I'm sure if something does come along we will upgrade. But I see maybe a trade of our 14th and 15th player for someone else's 13th player or just cut some players.
     
  7. Carl Herrera

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    1. Luxury Tax threshold is at $67.8 million this season. The Rockets are currently very close to it.

    2. However, the luxury tax is calculated based on a team's salary at the END of the season, not the beginning... so if the Rockets are a million or two over the limit, they still have pretty much all season to get under it.

    3. Les has said over and over again he's pay the tax only for the "right player." I wonder what that "right player" might look like. Perhaps Steve Francis for his obvious marketing appeal... maybe the extra ticket sales/highlight material/potential playoff revenue would justify the spending in Les' mind?

    4. The first thing faced by this team is not the tax (again, have all season to dump salary to get under the limit), but roster spots crunch. As things stand now, it looks like they will have about 8-9 guys competing for the last 3-4 spots on the roster.

    Since roster does not have to be finalized until beginning of season, I think Morey might wait til training camp/preseason to start finalizing the roster in order to give the coachign staff a chance to evaluate how the pieces actually fit.
     
  8. Laozi

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    random trades go in random trade thread?
     
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    i don't think this is random...i learned some stuff from this thread..

    so thanks
     
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    Artest was the right player before he got traded to the Kings. Les like big names.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    This is not a random trade idea. I am starting a discussion about a STRATEGY that the Rockets' front office may consider at some point this summer. I am not proposing any trade with any particular team for any particular player or players. The discussion is focused around an alternate way for the Rockets to gain assets while trimming down their roster.

    You're welcome. Thank YOU.
     
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    BimaThug, I was under the impression that a waived player's salary would still count against the salary cap/luxury tax. The amnesty provision from two years back was one-time use only. I may need some verification from our capologist triumvirate (aelliot, GATER, NIKEstrad).

    If that's the case, a team over the luxury tax threshold would save very little by trading with us. The only way to ensure tax relief would be to trade with a team under the cap (which of course we're not).
     
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  13. Carl Herrera

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    1. Sura's $3.8 million contract is only guaranteed at $1 million. A team can save some cash by, for example, trading a player with a fully guaranteed $4 million contract to the Rockets for Sura. They will save $3 million dollars in this scenario and will help to reduce or eliminate luxury tax burden.

    2. Besides Sura's contract, there are a few things Rockets can do for a tax-paying team, including:

    A. Using the 25% allowed difference in trades in order to take on somewhat more $ than they give out.

    B. Get a minimum salary player for nominal consideration (like $1.00) You can always add a minimun salary guy, I believe and give no salary out.

    C. If a team's concern is with luxury tax next season and beyond, the Rockets can trade shorter contracts for longer ones.

    3. This doesn't apply to the Rockets, but a tax paying team can also get help from teams with trade exceptions (SEA and GSW both have large ones).
     
  14. BimaThug

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    Hypothetically, a team that would otherwise look to waive a $7M player (and have that $7M count against the luxury tax) would be better off trading for two players who each make $3.5M and then waiving one of them. This way, you are waiving less money from your team. That team would then still have a $3.5M player to use as a more easily movable asset later in the year if it had to.

    Still, this is a minor benefit compared with the benefit of waiving Sura and only having his $1M guaranteed salary count towards the luxury tax.
     
  15. BimaThug

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    Thanks for the help, Carl.

    I might add that Sura will save a team deep into the luxury tax (e.g., the Knicks) a total of about $6M. Not only will trading Sura for a $4M player result in salary cap savings of $3M for the team getting Sura ($4M salary of traded player MINUS Sura's $1M buyout), but the team would also save the $3M in luxury tax that it would have otherwise had to pay on that difference.

    Plus, a small expiring deal is MUCH easier for a team to trade than a large expiring deal. As JVG used to say, it provides a team with much more trade flexibility to have several smaller deals than to have a few large deals.
     
  16. pillage

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    I think its a pretty solid strategy. Remember for a team like the Knicks, eliminating a $4 million contract for the price of $1 mil takes $7 million off. The extra they would have to pay for being over the limit. Removing Malik Allens $8 million contract is like taking $16 million off usinig the same reasoning.

    While I don't really want a $8 million Malik Allen contract, it seems like a sound idea. I'm sure some team would gladly give some extra picks (or other valuable assets) away for that kind of savings. Just ask the Spurs...
     

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