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Tracy at the 3

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Nov 24, 2007.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Can someone explain to me why Moving Tracy to the 3 is a bad Idea?

    At that point he could out quick the other 3's
    and he is long enough to guard most 3's

    How does the role and responsibilities of the 2 differ from the 3 spot?

    Our starting line up now is
    Rafer -1
    T-Mac-2
    Battier -3
    Hayes -4
    Yao - 5

    Moving T-Mac to the 3 opens up some minutes in the crowded back court

    just want to get your thoughts and Ideas. . .
    I have often wondered why someone as tall as TMac insisted on being a 2
    [like Duncan insisting on not playing Center . . . well similar]

    Rocket River
     
  2. acshen

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    I figure we might as well try it...
    Rafer 1
    James 2
    TMac 3
    Scola 4
    Yao 5

    would be my ideal lineup (with tmac at the 3 anyways), with bonzi, hayes, and battier rotating in
     
  3. doublehh03

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    does it matter? the opponent's best perimeter defender will always stick him. what's the difference?
     
  4. Matchman

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    Who is going to guard the opponent's top swingman? We need McGrady to use all his energy on Offense.
     
  5. rofflesaurus

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    t-mac plays the 2 because of shane battier.

    when battier is on the court, t-mac is a 2. when battier is off the court (which is not often), then he's a 3. besides, there's virtually no difference in t-mac being a 2 or a 3.
     
  6. eMat

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    Beat me to it, he will still be guarded by the same players, he will still be the main ballhandler. The only thing that changes is he will probably have to guard the opposing teams main perimeter threat which is not good. Depends on who we play instead of Battier (or Chuck) though. Mike James or Luther won't work. This is a cleverly disguised 'Play Francis' thread, isn't it? I'm all for playing him but I think changes have to be made at the expense of Alston, not Battier or Chuck. For now, atleast.
     
  7. Rollazn

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    Battier and TMAC trade on and off 2 and 3. Battier guard the best player regardless of SG or SF. Ex. during Laker game. Battier is on Kobe who is a 2 guard. They put Kobe (probably Lakers best starting defender) on TMAC.
     
  8. rofflesaurus

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    im talking about offensively...t-mac plays the 2 because battier plays the 3.
     
  9. Rocket River

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    Is the main Perimeter Threats in this league usually 2's?
    Kobe, D Wade, Rip Hamilton [is he a 2 or a 3]

    Rocket RIver
     
  10. AstroRocket

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    After seeing what our current limited lineup can give us, I would like to see:

    1. Francis
    2. Snyder
    3. T-Mac
    4. Scola
    5. Yao


    Seriously guys, Kirk is capable of so much more than we give him credit for. I really wish a coach would give him the chance to sho it. Just check out his numbers from last year whenever he got minutes. Plus, right now, Shane's "intangibles" are negated by the fact that his few tangibles are far below average.

    Steve at the 1 is just because I was looking over a lot of his Knicks games from last season and I realized just how much infinitely more talented he is than James and Alston. The guy HAS to get minutes.

    This lineup is very athletic, great rebounding, and pretty good shooting to boot. Also leaves a lot of energy/hustle guys on the bench for a good change of pace/heightened intensity.
     
  11. eMat

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    Yes, mainly SGs but who do you propose we play as a two guard if we move T-Mac to the 3? James, Luther, Bonzi, Francis, Snyder will absolutely get murdered trying to guard the best scorers because most of them are way undersized or just not good defensive players.

    James is undersized and will get posted up. Luther is terrible. Francis...maybe but I wouldn't bet on it. Bonzi is just lazy. Maybe Snyder, though he sometimes looks lost on the court. So do we really have any other option besides T-Mac?
     
  12. New Jack

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    If the opponent's best perimeter defender is busy chasing around Mcgrady, it would be nice to have another perimeter player (ie. Mike James or maybe Francis) at the 2-guard spot that can take advantage of the situation, rather than someone like Battier, who has given us pretty much nothing offensively this season.
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    cleverly disguised point forward post
     
  14. doublehh03

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    bonzi or francis are the only 2 guys i foresee taking advantage. bonzi has the post game; francis has the penetration.

    but for some reason, bonzi's pea-sized brain tells him to jack jumpers. and when he does go inside, his butter-finger hands can't even make layups.

    but bonzi has potential. i still believe he'll be a great force for us. same w/ steve.
     
  15. AstroRocket

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    When? Honestly, i keep hearing people say this, then I go back and watch the games to see if it's true and find no evidence. In fact, most time I just come away more impressed. I mean really, Kirk has the ability to hit at a 35-38% clip from the outsde, has respectable handles, plays great D, and gets to and finshes at the rim better than ANYONE on our team. He deserves a chance.
     
  16. eMat

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    It may be overblown and I honestly think it's the offensive end where he sometimes hurts the team (because of his 'T-Mac syndrome' - good when drives but settles for outside jumpers far too much, also a bit of a ballhog at times, was really disappointed with him during the preseason) more than defensive but I have noticed that he tends to lose his man when rotating, gets stuck behind picks and such. Basically I can't see him successfully guard Rip Hamilton or Kevin Martin, he's pretty solid against guys that control the ball though. One positive is that he tries, which is more than you can say about most of the players.

    I agree with you however, if T-Mac is to be moved to the 3, Kirk should definitely get some playing time at the 2. Hell, he deserves a chance now.
     
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    Agreed, because you can't put Battier at the 2 or 4.
     
  18. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    Remember when Rudy would play Clyde as a 2 guard, I feel like this situation is just soo similar. Of course, I was 9 when he did that.
     
  19. RocketsMac

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    that's not the question right now. The real question is:

    is t-mac a point-forward, or is he just a swingman?????

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    it's really bursting my bubble... :D
     
  20. Dei

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    Other than Tracy and Kirk Snyder, who isn't in the rotation, we have a midget backcourt. That's it, really.
     

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