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[ToyCen File] Alien life may exists on Saturn's moon

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  1. Pest_Ctrl

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    Titan: Nasa scientists discover evidence 'that alien life exists on Saturn's moon'


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/...e-that-alien-life-exists-on-Saturns-moon.html

    Researchers at the space agency believe they have discovered vital clues that appeared to indicate that primitive aliens could be living on the planet.

    Data from Nasa's Cassini probe has analysed the complex chemistry on the surface of Titan, which experts say is the only moon around the planet to have a dense atmosphere.

    They have discovered that life forms have been breathing in the planet’s atmosphere and also feeding on its surface’s fuel.

    Astronomers claim the moon is generally too cold to support even liquid water on its surface.

    The research has been detailed in two separate studies.

    The first paper, in the journal Icarus, shows that hydrogen gas flowing throughout the planet’s atmosphere disappeared at the surface. This suggested that alien forms could in fact breathe.

    The second paper, in the Journal of Geophysical Research, concluded that there was lack of the chemical on the surface.

    Scientists were then led to believe it had been possibly consumed by life.

    Researchers had expected sunlight interacting with chemicals in the atmosphere to produce acetylene gas. But the Cassini probe did not detect any such gas.

    Chris McKay, an astrobiologist at Nasa Ames Research Centre, at Moffett Field, California who led the research, said: “We suggested hydrogen consumption because it's the obvious gas for life to consume on Titan, similar to the way we consume oxygen on Earth.

    "If these signs do turn out to be a sign of life, it would be doubly exciting because it would represent a second form of life independent from water-based life on Earth.”

    Professor John Zarnecki, of the Open University, added: “We believe the chemistry is there for life to form. It just needs heat and warmth to kick-start the process.

    “In four billion years’ time, when the Sun swells into a red giant, it could be paradise on Titan.”

    They warned, however, that there could be other explanations for the findings.

    But taken together, they two indicate two important conditions necessary for methane-based life to exist.
     
  2. chestr

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  3. YaosDirtyStache

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    I dont believe in life, not even this life. We are plugged into the MATRIX.
     
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    That's no moon.
     
  7. yuantian

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    oh no! Zerg is coming! get ready for real life SC. :mad:
     
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    I'll be a dropship operator.
     
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    And we have a winner :grin:

    Seriously, if this is true, then it would open up a lot of possibilities that other life forms do exist. In four billion years' time, will CF still exist? :grin:
     
  11. B-Bob

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    That New Scientist article is pretty good. McKay is the most solid of all solid scientists, I think, and his quotes in that article display the right amount of skepticism. Very, very interesting results though!

    I am resisting telling CSBs about McKay.
     
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    To provide a little historical context:

    [rquoter]
    Viking Data Still Cause Stir About Mars Life

    NASA recently posted on its Web site detailed data collected at Mars 25 years ago by life-detection experiments aboard the Viking spacecraft. The scientific community's judgment on those findings is one of the longest running and most contentious debates in space science.

    In 1976, two ingenious spacecraft soft-landed on Mars. Each was equipped with a miniature biology laboratory packed into less space than a domestic microwave oven. The three biology experiments within the package each produced some positive results that might have been associated with living organisms but the overall verdict at the time was that these results were caused by chemical rather than biological processes.

    All these years later, scientists continue to glean information from the Viking data and still debate whether the results indicate life in the soils of Mars. The pendulum has swung back and forth between chemical and biological explanations for the Viking results.

    The experiment

    The Labeled Release (LR) experiment produced the most tantalizing results. Like most forms of life on Earth, when we consume food, some is processed and combined with oxygen to produce energy. The gas carbon dioxide is a product of that process and is present in our expired air. The clever idea with the LR experiment was that the carbon atoms in the food were radioactive and therefore could be detected in the air if a creature in the Martian soil processed the food and generated carbon dioxide (or some other gas containing carbon). In the LR experiment a radioactive broth was added to a sample of Martian soil in a closed chamber. A detector in a side chamber measured the amount of radioactivity in the air. A series of experiments was conducted to help eliminate non-biological processes. For example, some involved heating the soil to high temperature to sterilize any micro-organisms.

    Viking scientists back on Earth got very excited when the first results from both Vikings were received. There was a burst of gas production when the broth was first added to the soil. This did not happen when the soil was sterilized -- as might be expected if micro-organisms had died. However, when the unheated sample was measured over several weeks the gas production levelled off, suggesting that any micro-organisms, if present, had failed to survive and grow. Also when more broth was added there was no substantial release of gas. These conflicting results, coupled with the results of other Viking experiments led most scientists to conclude that the LR results were produced by non-biological reactions due to (unknown) chemicals in the Martian soil.

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    ...the article continues at the link above.

    But when people who dedicate their life to finding life outside Earth are given ambiguous results, there is a pretty good history of them interpreting the ambiguity as an unambiguous positive confirmation. Some people still are arguing back and forth about interpretation of the results of the Mariner mission experiment thirty years ago, even though officially the results were deemed negative.
     
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    "Life" is so crazy...

    Floating plantets?.....A ****ing ball of fire that we circle around....which is also just floating around in the middle of nothing....

    If i cut myself....in a couple days....it will be healed??....wtf?....HOW?

    Only thing I look foward to when I die....Is maybe ill get some ****ing answers.....

    WHY ARE WE HERE?
     
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    if you are plugged into the matrix, existence still exists
     
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    ...or does it?
     
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    That's kind of crappy that this topic is lumped into the ToyCen files.

    Little by little, there are signs pointing to life being elsewhere outside of Earth. Titan, Enceladus and even Mars are showing interesting clues. My money is on Europa. I can't wait to see what we know in 25 years. I do wonder what kind of impact it will have on society.

    On another note, I also can't wait for results from Kepler.
     
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    If it's herpes, I'll help you out with treatment money, brother. I hate it when my clinic's lab results are late, too. :eek:
     
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