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Tony Allen for DPOY

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by carayip, Dec 22, 2012.

  1. carayip

    carayip Member

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    Who says no?

    No way Lebron play better D or Dwight has a bigger impact this year.
     
  2. BigBenito

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    I'm down.

    Go pokes.
     
  3. devin23

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    Have to agree. He shut down ellis too. Dude was what? 1-12?
     
  4. jvu

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    He's the defensive version of Adrian Peterson in the NBA.
     
  5. durvasa

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    xRAPM rates him as the best defender on the perimeter (Iguodala coming in second).

    Top 6 defenders by xRAPM are all in the front-court, though: Garnett, Howard, Duncan, Marc Gasol, Josh Smith, and Omer Asik.

    For people with ESPN Insider, Haberstroh makes a strong argument for Tim Duncan as the earlier front-runner for DPOY.
     
  6. meh

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    The only way I would ever give a DPOY to a perimeter player, is if he's a beast without dominant inside presence. Most times, behind every stud perimeter defender is a stud interior defender. Memphis fits in this category.
     
  7. Geronimo

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    Where are Avery Bradley and Kirk Hinrich?
     
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    the League never gives it to ppl who REALLY deserve it... Just look and Tyson Chandler :rolleyes::rolleyes: i hope he gets its.. but i know he wont :(:(
     
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    excerpt:
    Nice perspective for Duncan's case, but gosh makes ME feel old :(
     
  10. Kojirou

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    Former hasn't played this season and the latter's useless now.
     
  11. VBG

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    It's naturally hard for a perimeter player to have as much of an impact as a post player when it comes to defense. I think it's just as hard to play good perimeter defense in today's NBA without hand checking.

    I would be happy with Tony Allen winning though. He changes an offensive teams gameplan.
     
  12. what

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    Tony Allen is really good, but the grizzlies as a whole help Tony being that good. Especially, Rudy and Conley playing passing lanes, also Marc and DA and SPIEGHTS cut off paths to the basket with help defense.

    I don't really know how good the grizzlies defense really is, but what I do know is that it is the best defense in league by a significant margin. Only maybe the bulls have a defense that can contend with the grizzlies d.
     
  13. juicystream

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    Tony Allen deserves consideration. I'd love to have him.

    LBJ can only win it as a make up for last year when he was snubbed.
     
  14. BDswangHTX

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    TA is having a superb year. I'm sure he'll definitely be in consideration, if not a front-runner when it comes time for the voting.
     
  15. VBG

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    Indiana also has really good defense.
     
  16. DonatasFanboy

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    I agree re the Grizzlies, but the bolded part should be "Pacers."
     
  17. BDswangHTX

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    I think more recently this holds true, but there have been many perimeter players in the last decade whom you could make an argument for. IE; Bruce Bowen, James Posey, Iggy, Battier, Ron Ron, etc.

    In terms of DPOY, as long as it's not LeBron, Kobe or Dwight i'll be happy.
     
  18. BeeBeard

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    If the DPOY award wasn't handed out based on silly league politics and marketability, then Tony Allen would win this year. And last year.
     
  19. BeeBeard

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    Artest got his award, but I still can't believe we live in a world where Iggy, Bowen, and even Tim Duncan never got theirs.

    The award is a bit of a joke, to be honest. No credibility based on past winners.
     
  20. meh

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    If anyone needs an example of why perimeter defensive studs almost never get DPOY, I present you the 2004-2005 Houston Rockets. FOURTH in the NBA on defense.

    Yao Ming
    Juwan Howard
    Bob Sura
    David Wesley
    T-Mac
    Mutumbo
    Mo Taylor
    Clarence Weatherspoon
    Charlie Ward

    There's a reason why bigs with average to little offense like Dwight Howard, Andrew Bogut, Greg Oden, etc. becomes #1 picks, while Tony Allens, Bruce Bowens, Ron Artests of the world never even sniff lottery status. Something that scouts, coaches, GMs, stat geeks are all in agreement on.
     

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