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To Take on ISIS Americans Should End Support for Jewish Nationalism

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Nov 23, 2015.

  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

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    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/americans-support-nationalism

    The role that US support for Jewish nationalism in Palestine is not fully appreciated as one of the main reasons behind 911 and the resulting Iraq War which most think led to ISIS and the terrorism it creates.

    Excerpts from a good article that the religious/quasi-religious fundamentalism of some Jews, (including those professing atheism!) regarding Israel must be confronted if we are to confront fundamentalism in Islam.
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    the biggest impediment to both the reform of Islam and peace in the Middle East that Americans have the (in)ability to remove our support for a militant Jewish ideology that few Arabs and Muslims have ever accepted

    This understanding dinned in on Americans after the last big shocker, 9/11. At that time some observers pointed out a simple truth: that Osama bin Laden and his radical little army were motivated by the occupation of Palestine as well as the U.S. presence in Saudi Arabia. But that idea was suppressed -

    The 9/11 Commission concluded that US policy in Palestine was part of the motivation for the attacks, but that analysis was whittled down to a few sentences– even as the head of the commission said that the Iraq war was launched to protect Israel. (And Condi Rice said the war would provide “strategic relief” to Israel and Colin Powell said it was dreamed up by the Zionist thinktank the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs).[/B]

    And the creation of Israel always had a religious character for many Jews: a faith so core that it gave life meaning, a faith so strong that it overruled reality. The former SDS leader Todd Gitlin says that Jews are a chosen people: they have “an unshakable attachment to the wild idea of divine election, which, however dampened, however sublimated, continues to ripple beneath the surface of everyday events.”

    Yesterday James North and I wrote here that we’re not monocausal; even if there was justice in Palestine it would not end Islamist violence. I stand by that point. But the ultimate question is the one Bernie Sanders raised last night, What can we do to end the religious element of the conflicts in the Middle East? And the answer is that Jews must end their support for Zionism, which has turned out to be religious, fascistic and militant, and is fueling rage across the Middle East and further

    While Harry Truman’s predecessor Franklin Roosevelt surely saw Paris coming when he said of two leading rabbis who came into the White House to urge a Jewish state in 1944: To think of it, two men, two holy men, coming here to ask me to let millions of people be killed in a jihad.

    It was an American problem then and it’s an American problem now. We have set aside our own secular values when it comes to the Middle East. We should stop lecturing Muslims about their backward ideas till we reckon with our own. -

    See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/americans-support-nationalism#sthash.PCueboxh.dpuf
     
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  2. Mr. Clutch

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    I'm confused.

    I thought Muslims were the new Jews
     
  3. Air Langhi

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    Whether we support israel or does not matter. These guys just want to blow stuff up. Its like the Germans blaming the jews for their problems.
     
  4. sirbaihu

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    Israel just wants to blow stuff up.
     
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    What else are the terrorist demanding? We should do that, too.
     
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  7. Nook

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    Hey.

    Lets take something that everyone can agree with (ISIS is bad, must be stopped)

    and

    Lets attach something that has almost no bearing on ISIS (Israel) and attach it so that I can get another political opinion supported (Palestine).

    If anything an argument can be made that having Israel in the region has prevented from spreading even further in the Middle East.
     
  8. sirbaihu

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    Don't know. But evidently ISIS does include people of different nationalities; may include Israelis and Americans. ISIS does kill a lot of Muslims. And the consequences of ISIS' actions may benefit Israel. They seem to love any time foreign countries commit more to the anti-Muslim wars of the past 20+ years.

    Why does America love Israel so much?
     
  9. apollo33

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    But this makes no ****ing sense
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  11. Nook

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    A teacher at Prairie View A&M huh?
     
  12. sirbaihu

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    Nope. At a university every current Rockets fan knows.
     
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    So I guess Sir Jackie was right. It was only a matter of time before someone blamed "the Jews" for Da'esh.
     
  14. sirbaihu

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    No wait, it was "the Muslims"!
    Which ones? There are like 1.5 billion.
    The ISIS Muslims duh.....
    Like, do you know the names and nationalities of the ISIS Muslims?
    They live in the nation of ISIS! Their names are Ali and Muhammad. And Muhammad Ali duh....
     
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    If you guys really care about who did it, let's turn this thread into a thread finding out who did it. Let's post some facts. We can try to get more knowledge than we have now. I am at work right now, but I will look for facts to post afterward.

    Note: I am not just talking about the trigger men, but their bosses.
     
  16. Nook

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    It is always the Jews.....

    Well the Jews or the French.
     
  17. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I wonder what right-winger got banned on CF and came back as RocketsLegend.
     
  18. Nook

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    Well we know it isn't NewYorker........ huh?

    Right?
     
  19. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yeah, because I didn't hide that I was formerly NewYorker.

    Dumbass.
     
  20. Nook

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    Based on history I am thinking you are "RocketsLegend".... especially with you being it up.
     

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