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To meat, or not to meat...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by DallasThomas, Sep 3, 2003.

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What's your meat-eating status?

  1. Mmmm...beef!

    61 vote(s)
    76.3%
  2. Full-on vegetarian

    8 vote(s)
    10.0%
  3. Part-time vegetarian (elaborate please)

    9 vote(s)
    11.3%
  4. Vegan (I really don't get this one, so let me know why)

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    2.5%
  1. DallasThomas

    DallasThomas Member

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    What "food group" do you belong to?

    I am a carnivore. My sister and several of my good friends are not. The reasoning behind each of our eating habits usually makes for good debate, so I wanted to try and hear y'alls opinions on the origins of your meat-eating status. Mine?

    It's simple. I have these really sharp eyeteeth (canines) and multiple incisors in my mouth. Evolutionarily speaking, they aren't there to chew turnip greens and tofu. I love the taste of beef, chicken, pork, and human. I feel like my body appreciates me for sending it these items.

    I know several people here don't eat meat (Notably: Jeff and probably GreenVegan76), if you guys and the bloodthirsty could put in your pocketchange, I would be interested in gaining knowledge through all sides.


    PS, I'm new to the D&D forum and search doesn't work; so if this is a repost could someone at least provide me with a link to the original thread before locking it? Thanks.
     
  2. bigtexxx

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    Real men eat beef.
     
  3. RocketMan Tex

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    I eat meat regularly. Not too much pork, but plenty of beef and chicken (and fish...if you want to call that meat). My grandfather owned and operated a butcher shop/grocery store, so I guess it is in my blood.
     
  4. giddyup

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    I eat mostly beef, chicken and pork from the meat category. A little bit of fish. Wait until the Atkins Dieters show up on this poll!
     
  5. GreenVegan76

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    As you can tell from my moniker, I'm a vegan. I don't eat or use animal products because modern animal production is horribly cruel and painful. There are also nice environmental, health and global hunger impacts, but I'm veggie primarily because I want to minimize my contribution to suffering in the world.

    I think if more people knew how horrible meat production is, there'd be more vegetarians, but I'm cool with meat-eaters. We each make our own decisions, draw our own lines, and live our own lives according to our own beliefs.
     
  6. DallasThomas

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    My sister made me watch that one video "Meet your meat" and I didn't particularly find it appetizing, but its effects only lasted until I forced those images out of my mind and let my primal urges take over. I really do understand your logic here, I think and feel much the same way but just choose to ignore it in favor of flavor. The people that make me wonder, in particular, are the ones that believe that not eating meat is healthier for them and that people aren't meant to eat meat. I just don't get that.

    But why vegan and not just vegetarian? Is this also a result of how the animals whose products are being used get treated? And wouldn't it create a big void in your diet of essential vitamins and minerals?
     
  7. GladiatoRowdy

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    I like meat, though my wife and I eat much less than we used to. Morningstar Farms makes some particulary good vegetarian products that we enjoy, but when we go to Perry's, you can bet I will have a steak!
     
  8. GreenVegan76

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    Good questions. Before I went veggie, I could never understand how anyone could willingly pass on a hamburger. Just didn't make sense to me. But it gnawed on my conscience, so I did some research into it. I didn't like what I saw, so I gave up meat cold turkey (so to speak). To me, flavor just wasn't a good enough reason to contribute to such cruelty.

    I went veggie seven years ago and vegan three years ago. I've never been healthier or had more energy. I take a daily vitamin supplement (I did when I ate meat, too). You'd be surprised to learn how many yummy fake meat products there are -- deli slices, chicken patties, meatballs, steak, turkey, etc. They're pretty good.

    Dairy, leather and egg production are all very big parts of the really cruel meat industry. Without these ancillary products, meat production is unprofitable.

    There's also quite a bit of evidence that shows that mankind was primarily (not totally) vegetarian until organized food production a few thousand years ago. Before then, we were hunter/gatherers, so we just ate what was available. And, since we hadn't invented hunting "weapons" yet, early humans ate mostly vegetation.
     
  9. wouldabeen23

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    Hear ya lound and clear Vegan and I can respect your stance especially since you've done your research.

    I'm definitely a meat-eater but I also know where my meat comes from and how it's processed. I am an, ethical, conservation minded hunter--my favorite is big game: Whitetail, Elk, wild-hog, etc...I do enjoy Dove and Quail as well.

    I think if you take your own game and can stomach the process you "earn" your right to consume meat. I am MUCH more humane than a slaughter house by taking game on the hoof..(but I love a big, rare rib-eye!)
     
  10. A-Train

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    I'm a level five vegan...I don't eat anything that casts a shadow...(oops...are Simpsons quotes allowed in this forum? :D)

    No way I could survive without meat....not a chance. I'm going to die with a cheeseburger in my hand and a smile on my face...

    Here's the way I look at it...what the heck is the purpose of cows?? They just sit there and do nothing
     
  11. codell

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    A-Train is a Grade A Moron.

    I am currently attending Bovine University.
     
  12. Panda

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    I understand the cruelty part, but in order to maintain consistency, one has to reject all medicines that were developed upon animal testing. I wonder if hardcore veggies would go as far as that if their lives depend on it?
     
  13. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Our bodies and our teeth are made to eat meat, who am I to argue with teeth?

    GIVE ME MEAT TO EAT BABY !!


    Atkins 101.

    DD
     
  14. GreenVegan76

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    It's virtually impossible to be a 100-percent vegan. I try not to purchase products tested on animals, but there are animal parts in just about everything -- even film and car tires. I haven't knowingly eaten meat in seven years, but I'm sure I've unknowingly consumed animal products. I just do the best I can.

    To paraphrase Thich Nhat Hanh, I look at veganism as a goal, not a destination. When traveling north we look to the North Star to guide us, never expecting to reach it, but each step brings us closer.

    And yes, I'm going to marry a carrot.

    BBS: He admitted it!
     
  15. ROXRAN

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    I have pointy canines for a reason! :)
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

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    Ahhh...a man after my own heart. The current contents of my freezer are: salmon from BC; redfish, trout & flounder from all over the Tx coast; 3 turkey breasts from this spring, axis deer from outside Kerrville; catfish fillets from San Saba; and a wee bit of venison & quail left over from last season (I'll have more soon!). Whitewing season opens in the valley this weekend, and I'm flying down to Harlingen for a weekend with my dad & the guys. Can't wait. Oohhh, and I'm in for a new treat this year - made a deal with my neighbor, he comes down to my ranch to deer hunt & I get to hit his duck lease a couple of times. Mmmmmm...duck gumbo.

    My grandma ranches, so I get all the free-range beef, chicken/eggs & cabrito I want.
     
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  17. Batman Jones

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    I've been vegetarian 16 years, vegan 10 years. Started as an ethical thing, but now I just think the idea of eating that stuff is gross. I don't care what other people do and I don't know that I'll maintain this diet forever. It'll get harder when my Whole Foods supplies run out on the road (I'm in Louisiana now) but I expect I'll stick with it for a good while longer. But to answer a couple things posted here:

    If you're vegetarian because you're against killing animals, you should be vegan. Rennit is used in the dairy pasteurization process. In case you don't know what rennit is, it's the lining of a calf's *******. Unpasteurized dairy is very dangerous to humans and pasteurized dairy requires the slaughter of an animal. Soy cheese isn't vegan either. It has casein in it which is also a dairy product.

    As for the teeth thing, humans are still evolving. We were once omnivores and our teeth bear that mark, but another place to look is the digestive tract. In nature carnivores have short ones, omnivores medium ones and herbivores long ones. Ours are now on the long side of the herbivore scale. They weren't always, but as with other aspects of our evolution humans change according to our needs. As we no longer need meat, our digestive tracts have grown to better digest vegetarian foods. As such, we now have difficulty digesting meat. If you eat a steak today, traces will remain in your system for about two years. Nature no longer prescribes a meat diet for humans, but then again it doesn't prescribe cigarettes or beer either. Again I say do whatever you like. Just providing a counter to the canines thing.
     
  18. bnb

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    Compared to many, we don't eat much meat. Probably three times a week -- and mainly chicken or fish. Veggieism is probably more healthy, certainly more ethical, and that whole "linning of a calfs *******" - ewwwwwwww!

    But then someone sparks up a barbi...and the sensual smell of burning flesh trumps any thoughts we might have had about leaving our carnivor roots. I'll try and eat healthy...but I'm sure I'll be in the meat club for life.
     
  19. DallasThomas

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    Man, how could I even start this thread without at least putting your name in the title! I can't believe I forgot to call on my best bet for all this info...but Batman, where did this steak-in-the-stomach thing come from? That was all very new info to me, so can you recommend any unbiased sources that I can research a little more with? I'd appreciate it as I do all your posts.
     
  20. wouldabeen23

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    Sh*t Buck...you make me look like a tee-todler! I've heard Axis is pretty good--had the chance to go on an exception Axis doe hunt this August on the YO ranch and passed it up--it was Bow only....Too hot for dove-huntin' man--but have fun! Mesquite grilled dove brests with bacon, jalapeno and monterrey jack....YUMMY!
     

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