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To heypartner (and anyone else), RE: Politics on cc.net

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Batman Jones, Nov 13, 2002.

  1. Batman Jones

    Batman Jones Member

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    Been meaning to post this for a while, but hadn't had time.

    heypartner, you said in a recent thread (posters you disagree with but respect or something like that) that you lose respect for people who talk politics on a sports bbs. Fair enough, but it got me thinking about why I do it and maybe, by extension, why others do.

    I may seem, to posters on this BBS, like a very outspoken person with regards to politics. I'm not. While I hold strong opinions, I almost never discuss politics in my daily life. When I'm with friends, we talk about music, sports, theater, sex, love, comic books, etc. -- almost anything but politics. That's not by design. It just doesn't come up. And when it does, we each know where the other stands. There's just not that much to talk about.

    A director from one of the great experimental theater companies, Mabou Mines, was once asked why the company's work wasn't more overtly political. He replied that while the members of his company were among the most opinionated people, with regard to politics, you would be likely to meet, they didn't find politics to be the most meaningful metaphor for their existence. I feel similarly and that's probably why I really never visit political websites. I find people who find politics to be the most meaningful metaphor for their existence a bore. (In fact, in working with actors, I find basketball provides a much more useful metaphor.)

    I like discussing politics on this site because of the intelligence and the passion (and even, in most cases, the sincerity and the heart) of the posters on this board (on both sides of the aisle) to be extraordinary for any site, but especially for a sports fan site. And were it not for the honest, good discussions I'd read here while lurking, I'd likely not be discussing politics anywhere.

    I also enjoy the web venue, where people can remain anonymous if they like (though I'm known to anyone who cares to know who I am). It allows people to be passionate, even to blow their tops if necessary. And on this site, in particular, if a poster goes too far (I've been guilty), if the poster is sincere there's room for redemption.

    Back when I briefly worked in politics, I talked to people about politics whether they wanted to hear it or not. In this venue, if you don't want to talk politics, you just don't read the thread. And if you do, there's plenty of intelligent discussion to be had.

    (I have a friend who feels similarly about the Hangout type forum at Courtney Love's site. To each his Dulcinea...)

    And if you enjoy such discussion, where else do you find it? With your friends with whom you mostly agree? In a bar where patrons are certain they know everything but almost certainly know nothing? On a politics site, where flaming abounds and understanding suffocates? No, I prefer all the various comforts (and discomforts) of the Hangout.

    That's all.

    p.s. Come see A SOAP OPERA at the Axiom. After, we'll have a drink. We'll talk drinks, Kinks, Rockets, cc.net and how your mama dresses you funny. But we won't talk politics. I'd rather do that here.
     
  2. rockHEAD

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    A Soap Opera kicks @ss!
     
  3. HOOP-T

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    I just lost all respect for you Batman. :p ;)
     
  4. Refman

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    I talk politics with just about everybody. I love to debate. I most often talk politics with my mother who believe it or not...makes me look like a leftist. :D
     
  5. Nomar

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  6. Live

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    Batman Jones, (and anyone else) I really wouldn't worry about losing anyone's respect for discussing politics on a sports BBS. Clutch doesn't seem to mind now, does he?

    It's better than obsessing over over-rated, bony-ass, marginally attractive women, which is a tradition here at CC.net.

    You want to talk politics, go right on with ya bad self!
     
  7. pippendagimp

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    Politics is a dirty biznass better left to the lying, cheating, plundering, and manipulating posters :p
     
  8. AntiSonic

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    Thank you, sir. It's about time somebody said that. :D

    The political threads rule.
     
  9. Phi83

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    Batman,
    I couldn't have said it better myself. Even though we disagree, the hangout is an outlet for thoughts and ideas.
     
  10. Batman Jones

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    Live: Thanks, but I'm not worried about it. I'm actually one of the two or three people on here who LIKES heypartner. And anyway, I don't think he meant anything by it. It just got me thinking.

    Refman: Excepting your position on taxes, you pretty much are a liberal. Sorry to be the one to tell you.
     
  11. heypartner

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    Batman Jones,

    I was half joking, thinking others would admit that talking politics here is just part of their cc.net addiction to get to know other Rockets fans, and that surely is a big part of it.

    The part that is half not joking regards debating for the intellectual stimulation of debating. Are you serious? Here? The topic of politics has a lot more intellectually stimulating venues for debate than a bball board like this...no??

    Personnally, I'm just one of those guys who doesn't like "current issues" round tables at all. It never seems to be really about debate, but more about expressing your personality, and, well, I'm better at expressing my personality through other things...aren't we all??

    For instance, whenever people fill out a profile of interests...how many ever say "talking about politics." There is a reason for that, no? Then again, Typical Rice Guys like Trader_Jorge often have to rely on politics to carry a conversation on first dates with Typical Rice Girls.

    that's a fact jack!!

    Rice Awareness class dismissed

    Last person close the door.
     
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  12. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    I believe heypartner's reaction to political threads is all too similar to his reaction to Rockets trade scenarios. IMHO, (and I admit I've only observed this for a total of four months), heypartner would like to boil cc.net down to a BBS of people diagraming plays game by game, quarter by quarter -- a community of uber-bball-analysts. If only we had a java-based tele-strater!

    Anyway, I really admire his vision, but ultimately, as someone without ready access to watching the Rockets :)( ), I'm more inclined to, oh, I dunno, impersonate Dr. Laura, or type a bunch of left-leaning semi-coherent positions, or post in the science-related threads. :cool:
     
  13. heypartner

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    Aha...see, my Intellectually Stimulating discussion is as dorky as yours, but at least I'm at the right bulletin board, plus I can make more friends in a bar talking about the Rockets than you can talking about diagramming the 10th dimension.

    hmmm...well, on second thought, my favorite bar (Valhalla) as more science talk than all sports combined, so maybe I don't know where to hangout at afterall.
     
  14. TraJ

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    I see it like this. The one thing that brings us here (at least most of us) is the Rockets. Each of us is bigger than that one area of our lives, I'm hoping. Clutch has provided an area of the BBS to discuss those other areas of our lives. Many of us make use of it.
     
  15. Refman

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    I'll take that as a compliment...so thanks! :)

    Actually I term myself as a fiscal conservative and a social moderate. Example: I believe it is an individual's right to be gay if that is what they are. I also believe that gay pride groups have no more right to hold a rally in a public park than I do to put a nativity scene there during the holidays. JMPO.

    I had thought that if I were to become rich I would start the Constructionist Party. The premise being that so much of the state of our nation has gone wrong by reading things into the Constitution that aren't really there. We didn't like the treatment of former slaves as not being citizens...so we amended the Constitution. Today...most things are read into it by the Court using tortured logic and results driven outcomes. Again...JMHO.
     
  16. pasox2

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    I enjoy reading anything clever that shows insight and hints at more than it reveals, inviting further exploration. Sometimes politcal threads do that...sending me off the find a quote or more information or think through a string of consequences. Sometimes, it's just "Senator Smith is a poo poo head." "No, Senator Jones is!" "Sez you!" "Well, you're a poo poo head." You get the idea...

    There's an old rule of thumb that whenever anyone invokes the name of Hitler, descending to the level of reductio ad absurdum, the thread is over. I'd vote for an auto-lock with the Hitler rule. Spirited discourse and new perspectives are entertaining. Name- calling, finger-pointing and shouting matches only entertain as displays of stupidity or self-immolation. Yumm...marshmellows! However, a whole string of burning monks is tiresome in its rigid symmetry. A little variety, please!
     
  17. El_Conquistador

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    heypartner,
    When your date who is sitting across the table answers your "so what's happening this weekend" question with a "I'm going to an anti-war demonstration" then all bets are off and we are talking politics. You don't tell Trader_Jorge that you are going to an anti-war demonstration and then have the last word. CASE CLOSED

    I enjoy posting on this board because it gives me an outlet to express my political views without negative repurcussions in my circle of friends or my job (although at work I fit right in). My psychological warfare tactics would not be well received in a normal dialogue. Here I can use them repeatedly and only get a reprimand from MadMax, Refman, Haven, etc. I also like testing new approaches to dialogue and debate here and gauging reaction.
     
  18. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Ah, Valhalla. I doubt beer is still $0.50, but tell me they still serve Shiner Bock. :) :confused: :(
     
  19. Batman Jones

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    Last time I was a regular at Valhalla, it was .35 on Fridays but it was some no name brand bock.
     
  20. Chance

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    I don't believe in politics. I think they are a conspiracy dreamt up by some the evil spawn of a leftist wacko and a right-wing nutjob.
     

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