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Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by RudyTBag, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. RudyTBag

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    Regarding your signature...

    http://www.philly.com/dailynews/spo...can_play_Princeton_offense_the_right_way.html
    The signature...

    I stand by my original statement, as does freaking Pete Carril...
     
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  2. roslolian

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    Pete Carril didn't say that AI wasn't a ball hog, he said he was a great passer (i.e. has good passing ability). There is a difference between the two, just like when you say Carter has great driving abilities since he has good ball-handling skils and is athletic, but he always settles for the jumper.

    Even the comments you bolded say that AI wasn't exactly partial to sharing the ball:

    "I don't know if he wants to do it, but AI is a great passer"

    "He did what he had to do, and that was shoot. Right or wrong, that's what he did and sometimes had to do"

    Anyway from my point of view its not that AI is unwilling to share the ball, its that he never really learned how to run offenses without massaging the ball first and passing on the dribble.

    Regardless, you are definitely on crack if you think Tmac was a ballhog. He's a lot of things (soft, weak willed, lazy on D) but Tmac is someone who doesn't mind sharing the ball. He was the only one who can get the ball to Yao on a consistent basis, for crying out loud :rolleyes:
     
  3. Shaud

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    Did Pete Carril state that A.I. was less of a ballhog than Tracy or Ron because I don't see it.
     
  4. RudyTBag

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    Haha fail Roslolian... That was pretty funny...

    I am sure that you understand the idea Shaud... The statement is by no means Sig worthy, imo... People don't understand how unselfish Iverson really is... Far more of a team player than Stacy imo.
     
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    It's all about self-glory. Iverson is a ballhog, but that doesn't mean he lacks the capabilities to be a good passer.

    Take McGrady for an example. He was a ballhog in Orlando, but nobody really knew of his passing capabilities until Houston. They both have the talent, it's whether they know how to utilize it.

    Of course, you could say Iverson is a good teammate as well, but at the same time you could also say he believes in practice and more practices.

    Don't forget Iverson refused a bench role, not really a team player in my humble opinion.

    In any way we're clear of both. They're both drama magnets.
     
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    Yessir you can say that again...:)
     
  7. roslolian

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    How was that a fail? LOL I just showed you evidence that you're the one who failed at your own thread
     
  8. RudyTBag

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    You really didn't... Fail...
     
  9. roslolian

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    Well why don't say in detail why I'm off the mark? LOL you're the one making unsubstantiated comments and talking outa' your ass but when I call you out all you can do is deny it and somehow I'm the one with the fail? :rolleyes:
     
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    don't bother arguing with him, he's obviously just a hater.

    tracy might have his flaws but being a selfish player on the basketball court is definitely not one of them. he is actually an elite playmaker at his position and when he was on top of his game there was no one better than him at the things he does well. he created a lot of open shots for his teammates and had no problems with sharing the ball. for a guy that has the ball in his hands so much he's also a very efficient ball handler and that's what seperates him from other good playmakers. elite ball handling, elite court vision, elite passing and no problems with sharing the ball - tracy had the whole package. there's a reason he was double teamed probably as much as any player of his position at the perimeter...

    now his scoring and his defense are a different story. he wasn't a very efficient scorer after he left the magic and he only played great defense when he really wanted and needed to.
     
  11. ParaSolid

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    As fail as trying to prove that AI isn't a ballhog.
     
  12. RudyTBag

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    Hehehehe... Right....Like the first round... A couple boxouts on Harpring would have advanced us...

    Say it to Pete Baby!!!
     
  13. roslolian

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    I already pointed out Pete didn't say AI wasn't a ballhog, in fact his comments implied that he thought AI was a ballhog who had great passing ability:

    "I don't know if he wants to do it, but AI is a great passer"

    "He did what he had to do, and that was to shoot. Right or wrong, that what he did, and sometimes had to do."

    ^How can you read those statements and come away with the notion that Ai isn't a ball hog? If Pete Carill really thought Ai was unselfish why would he wonder if AI wanted to pass the ball? And if he thought AI was unselfish with distributing the rock why will he say shot the ball "right or wrong"?

    Its clear as day, are really just that dense? :confused:
     
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    "I don't know if he wants to do it, but he's a great passer. What he does for [Sam] Dalembert ... Take a look at the box score and when Iverson's in the game; Dalembert's in double figures. When Iverson's not in the game, his numbers go down."

    How that implies that AI is a ballhog I have no idea...

    If Pete thought AI was selfish, why would he tell you to look at the boxscore? Why would he tell you that AI makes a huge impact on his teammates with his passing?
     
  15. SuperStar

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    Well old AI isn't a ball hog since he is old.
     
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    Childish thread is childish.
     
  17. RudyTBag

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    What do you have against children?
     
  18. BrooksBall

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    I'm assuming you're over the age of 10. ;)
     
  19. roslolian

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    He's telling you to look at the box score because he's saying AI is a great passer. Generally great passers make a huge impact on their teammate with their passing. Again, you can be a good passer while being a ballhog at the same time (see starbury, rasheed wallace, carter etc).
     
  20. Shaud

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    Sheed a ballhog?

    If anything he has been to passive in his career on offense.
     

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