As a Clinton supporter, if not the biggest at least one of the most vocal. I will concede at this point the primary campaign is over and Obama will be the Democractic Nominee. Its been an interesting race and an interesting position to be in some heated debates with people who I generally side with. If some of you took offense to my forceful debate style but there truly was nothing personal and I think its helped me understand people's positions better. At this point I look forward to a tough and entertaining, for those like me who find politics entertaining, general election.
Also just to add to Batman Jones and Major who I've frequently have tangled the most regarding the campaign. You guys argue your positions well and its been entertaining and educational on my part to rhetorically spar with you guys. Now if I can actually get Sam Fisher to physically spar with me....
Agreed. Let the Dems unite and Obama & McCain wage a campaign that is worthy of the office they are competing for. After the 2000 & 2004 campaigns, we need a serious debate on the issues for a change.
I literally laughed out loud at how corny this post is. Keep that marketing campaign flowin', brah....it's all ya got
Democrats for McCain will help unite Americans who feel that experience and qualifications are necessary in the most important job in the world. These Democrats for McCain are smarter than the other dreamers who just mindlessly accept the obama marketing campaign's no-substance, soaring rhetoric. This ain't the time to be electing a Commander-in-Chief with no executive leadership AT ALL. I can't think of a worse time for on-the-job training.
Obama will be the Democractic Nominee!!! Hip hip OBAMA! Hip hip OBAMA! Hip hip OBAMA! Sounds like that new Gnarls Barkley song!
Anyone ever wonder if bigtexxx and Trader_Jorge are the same person? They both post the same garbage, have identical post counts, member numbers, join dates, and they both always pop into the same thread posting the same exact thing.
hahahahahah i just checked to see when they both joined exactly. Trader_Jorge joined on june 11 2002, and big texxx joined on june 12 2002!
Welcome to the D & D Butterfingers and what you speculate on has been speculated on for long long before you came here.
I know the OP started a thread on the subject of Democrats uniting, but I saw the following article about the Republicans during my morning news reading, and thought it dovetails nicely with the original idea, covering the same themes but for Republicans. It doesn't sound like the internecine rancor is limited to the Democratic side of the isle. [rquoter] Republicans forced to turn to their nemesis: John McCain By Albert R. Hunt Bloomberg News Published: May 11, 2008 The Republican political establishment is looking to the devil to deliver them, the man many have depicted as the incarnation of evil: John McCain. Republicans in the U.S. Congress are petrified about a November debacle, a fear stoked on May 3, when they lost their second straight special election in a district held by Republicans. The party's fundamental situation is terrible: Republicans are saddled with an enormously unpopular president, a war, a troubled economy and a Democratic opposition that's being energized by important constituent groups. "The generics are as bad as anytime since I have been here," said Representative Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican and one of the most politically astute members of Congress in either party. Davis, a 14-year veteran, is retiring this year, frustrated with his party's long-term prospects. In a delicious irony, the one bright spot is McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. A few months ago, McCain spoke to the party's caucus in the House of Representatives and said that he would campaign in any district where he was wanted and stay out of any where he would be a liability. "I don't know of anyone that doesn't want him in," said Representative Ray LaHood, an Illinois Republican who is also retiring. This is turning history on its head. Not long ago, the independent-minded McCain was vilified by his party's leaders. Tom DeLay - the former Republican majority leader who was once the most powerful official the House had had in years - complained that McCain "has done more to hurt the Republican Party than any elected official I know of." Former House Speaker Dennis Hastert once suggested that McCain, a decorated prisoner of war in Vietnam, didn't understand sacrifice. This year, Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi said the thought of a McCain presidency "sends a cold chill down my spine." His former Mississippi colleague, Trent Lott, has endorsed McCain; eight years earlier, Lott's comments about the Arizona lawmaker were unprintable. The czar of conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh, said earlier this year that a McCain nomination would "destroy" Republicans: "He has stabbed his own party in the back I can't tell you how many times." There is a situational element to these attitudes; McCain is fine when he's useful to them. Former Senator Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania, facing an uphill re-election struggle in 2006, brought his old enemy into the state and tried to bask in his popularity. After Santorum was defeated, he reverted to form and trashed McCain. Similarly, the epiphany that many Republican officeholders have recently had about McCain is about their own fate: They're scared. Charlie Cook and Stu Rothenberg are the twin towers of Washington election-watchers; much of the conventional wisdom in this town originates with them. As of today, they both see the Democrats adding 5 to 10 seats to their House majority and gaining 3 to 6 Senate seats this November; that may be conservative. With few other reeds, embattled Republicans see McCain as a lifeboat. They know voters don't like President George W. Bush or being in bed with sleazy special interests. That's the identity of the national party. Few Republican lawmakers are viewed as more independent from Bush than is McCain - the two men really don't like each other - nor has there been any greater champion of ethics in politics than the 71-year-old senator. McCain also provides cover on issues that plague the Republican image: the party's immigration bashing and its insensitivity to environmental concerns, especially climate change. The odds, however, are that Republicans are deluding themselves - or at least exaggerating McCain's coattails. In addition to the unfavorable political environment, Democrats have won the important initial rounds in House and Senate races. In the House, they have recruited several dozen potentially solid challengers; the Republicans' candidate-recruitment efforts, by their admission, have been disappointing. In rating the current competitive House seats - about 1 in 10 - both Cook and Rothenberg see 50 percent more Republican-held seats at risk. There's a similar pattern in the Senate. More than a half-dozen strong Democratic candidates are competing for Republican-held seats in states from Maine to New Mexico. As of today, there's possibly one vulnerable Democratic incumbent, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, and that may be a stretch. Moreover, the Democratic campaign chairmen, Representative Chris Van Hollen of Maryland and Senator Charles Schumer of New York, have run circles around the opposition. At the end of the first quarter, the two Democratic campaign committees had $82.1 million in the bank - over three times more than the $24.5 million held by Republicans. In two-thirds of the most competitive House contests, the Democrats have more money. "The money advantage is so overwhelming the Democrats are getting parity in what should be Republican districts," Davis said. In an effort to placate the party base, McCain has trimmed his sails and, perversely if unintentionally, looked more like a Bush Republican. "McCain comes across to some as a different kind of Republican," Van Hollen said. "Yet he has fallen in line with the Bush agenda on the fundamental issues: the war and the economy." The economy is the party's real potential vulnerable spot, since it's an issue of pervasive concern to voters, even more than Iraq. McCain has little interest in the subject, and a Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll shows that Americans give both Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama, the Democratic candidates, higher marks than McCain on the economy. Still, embattled Republican candidates won't have to drain time and energy explaining away their presidential candidate. From Congressman Christopher Shays of Connecticut to Robin Hayes of North Carolina, they can run with the head of the ticket. Their only task will be to explain all those awful anti-McCain diatribes from Republicans. [/rquoter] source
I read that this morning, and I thought it was delicious that the Republican's savior is a man they're forced to swallow and will likely rip him apart when he loses.
That article illustrates another reason why I think McCain will be a weak, one-term, lame-duck-from-day-one president: Too many Republicans hate the guy.
Maybe he will be a failure of a candidate - he could easily be the 08 Republican version of Kerry. But for a lot of us, he represents much of what we WANT to see in Republicans. Fiscal conservatism, national security without getting bogged down in red herrings about immigration, gay marriage and Christian pandering.
That is a good point for all of the talk of a deeply divided Democratic party the Republicans might actually be more divided.
