I think it is time that Israel got really tough and start taking out anyone associated with Hamas. Do what the US has done to Al Queda, do not give them anywhere to congregate. Also, hold the families responsible for suicide bombings. They need to turn up the heat on anyone associated with this HORRIBLE group. The Palastinian people must be made to realize that as long as they support these idiots there will be no peace, and more of them will suffer as a consequence.
The reason that Palestinian's are pushed towards extremist groups is for the MAIN REASON THAT Israel has been OCCUPYING PEOPLE AND OPPRESSING THEM FOR 30 YEARS! Do you expect them to just roll over?? They did that for 20 years waiting for peace before they started the Uprising that began with throwing stones and now has become more and more violent in the face of despair. TO THIS DAY, Israel continues to destroy homes to build new settlements. There is a curfew in all of the Palestinian territories in which they can leave their homes once or twice a week for a few hours at a time or they will be SHOT DEAD BY SNIPERS. Families have two generations living in Refugee camps, because right now....AT THIS VERY MOMENT, a Palestinian's home is being bulldozed to make way for a new settlement. You throw people out of the homes, take away all freedom and you expect them to sit at a negotiation table for 20 years?? Take away these living conditions and these terrible injustices and you will take away the fuel that burns the flames of extremism.
Kahn, I agree they should stop the settlements. However, that is NOT what is fueling the fires so to speak. It is their hatred of Israel. Maybe it is time for other Islamic countries to open their borders for these poor palastinian people...NO? why not? Oh, that's right, they do not have citizen's rights in those countries either....gosh...I wonder why? DaDakota
Israel and the U.S. have flat out said that peace will get them their own land and end the occupation I can see how hard it would be to put down your gun when members of your family have been killed and your family lives in slums.. I don't mean this to be offensive but this reminds me of when I saw my neighbors dogs chain binding around his neck the more he struggled the tighter the chain choked him if he would just stand still, and promise not to bite... the chain would be removed (and the U.N. can see to that)
lpbman, I think one problem is that some of the Israeli politicians always want to enter negotiations from a position of strength.
Khan, I agree that Israel is oppressing the Palestinians and kicking them out of their homes. It's similar to what was done to American Indians in this country. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. I agree it's awful, and Israel should be punished. However, terrorism against civilians is not the way to punish Israel. It's not the way to achieve statehood, and it's not the way to receive help from other countries in their effort. I've never understood this argument. Other countries shouldn't have to take the Palestinians in. It's the palestinians home land. Why should Palestinians who's families had lived there for generations have to leave, while someone born in Brooklyn can go over, and receive money from the Israeli govt. to settle in that area. Someone born on the west bank, who's family has lived there for years, should have more right to the area than someone who was born in Brooklyn. Nobody should have to take the Palestinians in to make room for people from Eastern Europe, Brooklyn, or anywhere else. If it was possible to get rid of Hamas without exstensive civilian casualties like happend when ISrael dropped a one ton bomb in a crowded neighborhood, and killed 14 people(only four of which were even in the same building as their target). I would be all for getting rid of hamas and any other terrorist groups. This wouldn't stop terrorism too much I'm afraid, but it would be a valid effort. I still think the best chance for peace would come from Israel dealing fairly and justly with the Palestinians. Remove the reason for Palestinians to hate Israel, and much of the hate will be removed too. From the Palestinians side the best chance for peace would come from publically halting the terrorist attacks and adopting non-violent means of protests. Palestinians should gather together in Mass blockade Israeli Banks, Bulldozers, Roads, and every economic center that Israel has. They could basically shut Israeli business down. Hit them in the pocket book. Just hold peaceful sit-ins at those places and don't move until the Israelis are willing to treat the Palestinians fairly and justly. Maybe Israeli soldiers would kill them. If that were the case the world would turn against Israel, much like footage of police brutalizing peaceful civil rights marchers turned the tide here in the U.S. True some palestinians would die. They would be martyrs. Palestinians are dying any way and nothing gets achieved by it. In addition Palestinians are killing innocent civilians.
You'd have soldiers going through the streets of the largest American cities, as a considerable amount of Hamas's funding originates in the good ol' USA. Read American Jihad: The Terrorists Living Among Us by Steven Emerson.
FranchiseBlade, Israel is suffering economic problems because of the suicide bombings and general violence. Tourism has been impacted and the mood is less than upbeat in Israel.
Been to NYC lately? You cant cross a bridge or go through a tunnel without having armed guards check your car. You cant park in a NYC garage for the most part without a guy with a gun running a mirror under your car. Go downtown near Wall St/ground zero and youll see military vehicles and armed guards. Same with Rockefeller center and the Empire St Building. Hamas needs to wiped out...like Da said. Khan..as for the people that arent allowed to leave their homes because of snipers....at least they get fair warning. Screw the palestinians and all of the other arab a-holes that think its noble to kill innocent people.
Mango, but there are just ways to disrupt the economy and unjust ways. Terrorism is an unjust way, and I think less effective than peaceful sit-ins which could blockades Israeli economic centers. The peaceful sit-in method would force Israel to act. Their economy couldn't handle being shut down for too long. People have to work and get paid. The Palestinians, if unified, could just keep blockading the key areas, until Israel relented their unjust and oppressive practices. Meanwhile by doing that, it would mean that the Palestinians had already given up terrorism.
I say Hamas stops the bombings on innocent people, and move on to the Israeli Prime Minister...and I gotta idea...why don't they barracade his house and trap him inside...
no, it would make you an a-hole for thinking that, in a thread about Hamas, that I was talking about anything but the suicide bombers in the middle east think before you type
i don't give a $hit what this f*ucking thread is about, but tim mcveigh is still a suicide bomber...he bombed the building and pretty much killed himself cause he knew he would get caught...
Umm...no...McVeigh was not a suicide bomber. Just an idea...if you are going to try and be civil by using *'s so that you don't type the full curse word...try leaving out a letter or two.
Cool it. No, I haven't been to NYC since 1997. I'd imagine it's pretty restricted. But, I do work across the street from the Sears Tower, and know what security they've enacted since last fall. Somehow I don't see what this has to do with my point that Hamas is also very active in the United States, if only (to this point) in a money-raising capacity, and that we'd have to take much more action on the homefront than most would suspect in order to put Hamas out of business.
Keeley...the Sears tower isnt heavily guarded? Im surprised being that it was thought to be a potential target
