Time for this loudmouth Longhorn to eat some crow...

It's time to call it like it is. It's time for Mack to be accountable. I've given him the benefit of the doubt for 3 years. Maybe we go in another direction?

I don't think it's time to change directions by any means. Each of Mack's first 4 years, our final standing has improved, up to #5 last year. If we keep that trend going, we've got to end #1 sooner or later.

 

gr8-1,

UT played valiantly and have a lot to be proud of in that game. You had the lead at halftime. The kids shouldn't feel bad about losing to a powerhouse like OU. I remember it took Rice something like 28 yrs to finally beat Texas. Take it from a fan who knows what futility feels like; although, Oklahoma seems unbeatable right now, your school will finally have all the breaks go their way, find a quarterback who won't play nervous, and everyone will play mistake free. It is going to take a perfect Saturday for UT to make that break through just like Rice's break-through to beat UT, but I'm sure you won't be waiting another 25 yrs, like us Rice fans had to wait.

I feel for you guys. Keep your chin up. Your day will come one of these years.

 

nah, its not time for Mack to go. He's recruited top talent and lead us to high rankings year after year.

i know this has been beaten to death in the streets of austin, on the radio airwaves, in various message boards, in my mind, etc. but its time for Davis to pack up and move on.

 

Yeah, it must make it extra frustrating to have more talent than Rice, but the same futility.

 

I would agree with what heyp generally is saying. But, Mack has a track record of failing in big-time games/situations. Because of that, it would be hard to give Mack mulligan after mulligan.

If Mack had won a title before, then that would go a long way in whether or not Mack should stay.

Thus far, his recruiting skills greatly dwarf his on the field success, or the lackthereof.

If I'm UT, I break the bank (they can def afford it), and go hard after Oregon's Mike Bellotti. After Stoops, I don't think there is a better coach in the nation at getting his team prepared for big games.

 

I know you're trying to be nice, but those two things are nothing alike. We don't have any excuse for not being able to beat OU even when they're at their absolute best. Rice beating UT is a moon shot by comparison.

 

He's coached what, six games? C'mon. Terry Bowden started 20-0-1 at Auburn.

I'd like someone with a bit more established track record.

Though I guess Stoops wouldn't exactly have fit that.

 

Get Simms out of there and put in Vincent Young and watch the Horns roll.

UT will begin winning when they have a QB that can make thinks happen with his feet as well as his arm.

DaDakota

 

I'm trying not to get my hopes up about Young. While I do think Simms deserves a LOT of the blame, Davis has to get some of it too. We've watched our neighbors to the east ruin a long string of touted HS QBs; I worry we'll do the same thing to him.

gr8-1, I don't support a change of head coach. You can't fire a .750 guy on a whim unless he commits a serious error of some sort-- players go on an "OU in 1989" rampage, program goes on probation, etc. Maybe if the OU failures drag out for six or seven years, you consider it. Cooper got 13 years at Ohio State, and it was really the off-field problems combined with his annual UM/bowl loss that did him in.

But I do think pressure needs to be put on Mack to address the program's problems and remedy them by all means necessary within NCAA regulations. Our problem now is, we don't win games that have clearly-defined stakes. People (I was one of them before yesterday) defend Mack by saying, "Well, we beat A&M and Colorado and Nebraska in 1998 and 1999".

The problem is that those weren't "win-and-X-happens" games. The only one of those he's won at UT was vs. Nebraska in 1999, and we're not the caliber of program that should have to wait three or four years between big wins.

In games where there are clear consequences-- "win this and win the Big 12 title/get a BCS bid/etc", we lose. Mack needs to figure out why.

Obviously we all think it's Greg Davis, so yes, I would support canning his gnarled ass tomorrow morning.

 

Relatively speaking it is the same. With all the talent UT has, you expect more than Rice, but the futility of achieving goals is often the same. Our moon shot, may not be the same moon shot as winning a national titles as yours, but relatively speaking, we both choke at hitting our goals.

The difference is that we are not has hard on our fans and coach anymore, because we know we are not the best like we were in the '50s, and we know what our moon shot is. For the longest time in the 60's and 70's, we thought our best game could compete with UT, just like UT thinks their best game can win a national title again. It takes awhile to drop your expectations, but when you do, you can appreciate wins more, and not sweat the inevitable failure to reach the moon.

It's just such a powerless feeling to see the other team have your number in an unexplanable way where they always play better and with more confidence than you.

Those intangibles of winning, that Rice and UT football have trouble with, makes it tough to be a fan with high expectations. I can sympathize with that.

 

I can think of no polite way to continue this conversation so I will just smile politely and move to a different section of the bar now.

 

Major, I just don't think Mack realizes how big of a rivalry this game is. I say that from the tone of his comments in the media. So, you think Mack can lead UT to the promise land? He got us out of the woods, but I'm not sure he can take us to the top.

I'm not sure he can take us to the top. However, I think he has earned himself more time. Looking where we were coming from to where we are in 4-5 years, I think he's earned himself at least a couple of more years to see how far we can go.

To me, it's hard to justify firing a coach who took a barely-top-25 type program to top-5 level in four years. I do agree some changes need to be made though, and I also am sick of his politician attitude.

Part of it is that I agree with what DaDakota said. I still believe much of this problem ends when we get a QB who they trust to try to win games instead of not lose them.

 

It took Bobby Bowden twenty years between two schools to finally win a national title, no matter the talent.

Simms needs to go, and some lower level coaching changes need to be made...but Texas needs to keep Mack Brown and support him, or else he will go to a higher profile job once it opens.

If all goes well, 2004 should be the year you all look forward to, as Young comes into his own along with last year's recruiting class. Hopefully by then the offensive playbook straightens itself out, but if not...then maybe Texas needs a new OC.

 

There is no such thing. I'm not saying Texas is a better job than any other, but the Texas coaching position is in the same top echelon as Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Southern Cal, Miami, Alabama, etc.

Unless you were talking about:

A) the NFL

B) his alma mater, FSU

I could see either of those things.