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Time for a Major Trade/My Disgust with the NBA (long)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sncns, Nov 6, 2002.

  1. sncns

    sncns Member

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    As you can tell if you look to the left, I've been around for a while but I'm not a big poster. Let me say that I have been a long time Rockets fan. How many of you were around for the entire 94 season from start to finish? How many remember game 7 against the Sonics in 93 and the begining of Rudyball? I attended the 20 point fiasco in the Summit against Barkley's Suns that prompted the "ChokeCity" headlines, before the ClutchCity was coined which this awesome site is named after. So, I am not some teenage hotheaded dipstick trashing my team. I love the Rockets.

    Saying that, let me state how I feel about my current Rockets team: I'm fairly disgusted. Francis and Mobley are the problem. The selfish and sloppy gaurd play on this team for the past 4 years makes it hard for me to even watch a complete game. Sure, they put up big numbers, but they do that a the expense of the rest of the team. They have to be the most selfish players to have played this long with this organization. They look marginally coachable, and wether they are running the play or breaking it off like they often do, make poor decisions. Its all in the numbers, from the high point and rebound totals to the high turnover and shot totals and low assist numbers. After 4 years, its now a concrete statistic and isn't going to change, especially after seeing the first few games this season.

    Maybe this is the Michael Jordan effect. The NBA has promoted him so much for the past decade and a half, that players now want to "Be like Mike" more than they want to win. It seems that a large majority of other players are here just for the check, and could care less about winning. If the NBA wants to look good on Sports Center highlights, then they're headed in the right direction. But it seems coaches and GM's have had enough of the unispired play and so you see the large number of foreign players selected in the last draft. Maybe if these Euros put the pressure on the slackers from the US to perform we'll have a good league again.

    The NBA is in a down period, and that isn't going to be changed by zone defenses or moving the 3 point line. Its the players who have to change, and that will take time. To me it seems easy to win in this league right now. You just pick the top 15 guys who play to win, give a solid effort every night, and respect their coach. Its all in the personel, and we need to get rid of the players on this team who do not fit that description. Moochie, Cat, Kato, and even Steve should be shown the exit. I would do it in stages, maybe move Cat and Kato together as a package deal for a solid defensive starter. Cat's points will easily be picked up by Griff, KT, and Yao. Maybe then the rest of the playes would see the light and start trying to play as a team, if not move their butt too.

    I know I'll get a lot of one sentence responses saying how stupid and moronic my feelings are about this, and I really couldn't care less.

    GO ROCKETS...
     
  2. pippendagimp

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    Here's a one sentence response for you:

    I think you're pretty much spot on, although I would start with dumping Mooch first since he can't pass OR play D.
     
  3. codell

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    The problem is, finding someone who would want THAT type of player with THAT type of contract.
     
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    Well since I get league pass I am subjected to the opposing teams' announcers every game. The rest of the league seems to think Mooch "would be a starter on many teams." I think we should capitalize on the rest of the league's apparent delusions before they learn the truth and it becomes to late to trade his ass. I cringe every time he leaves a shooter wide open without even a thought about putting a hand up - and it is every time.
     
  5. codell

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    Im sure Scott Layden would take him off our hands. :D
     
  6. Raven

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    I pretty much agree with the initial poster, and Qazi needs to grow up.

    Raven
     
  7. DCkid

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    Why can't you wait until the season gets further along than 4 games before you try and break up the entire team and set the rebuilding process back another four years? Look, we had what I would consider a succesful season two years ago when we won 45 games. We had a damned season from the start last year, that only an ignorant person would use as a true measure of the Rockets team. And this year we've played four games and are 2 and 2. What the hell are you talking about?
     
  8. ricerocket

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    We play the hottest team in the league, a top 50 player has a career night, they break out with 77% shooting in the third quarter, and all of a sudden it's trade everybody. :rolleyes:

    One game one night.

    At least we didn't lose to the Cavs...
     
  9. sncns

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    My post wasn't like 99% of the posts on here in being a knee-jerk reaction. Poor planning on my part to post this after a loss. It really doesn't have anything to do with this season at all. I could have posted the same message at the end of last year. Do you really think having Glen Rice and Mo Taylor back is going to make Cat play different? C'mon.

    I had a small sliver of hope that Fancis and Cat would change their ways this year, but after 3-4 years they are who they are, they're not going to change significantly. We can deal with Steve being the way he is, but him and Cat together are way too much selfish play for this team to overcome.

    The reality is that we're going to play this season with who we have. I don't think they aret going to trade anyone at all. But I'm very interested in seeing management's reaction after this season, especially if we don't make the playoffs.
     
  10. codell

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    Payton was top 50?
     
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    He is now... :D :eek:
     
  12. codell

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    GP looked like he was out to prove something last night.
     
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    3-4 years......................oh, that's right. I almost forgot. That's when the Rockets didn't have anyone else that could shoot the ball or be counted on when it mattered.
    The Rockets have been rebuilding during this time, correct? Cat and Steve have been the only reliable players on the team during this time period. The entire offense was designed for them to shoot the rock. Now the Rockets have a supporting cast. Don't you think it will take a little time for Steve and Cat to learn how to play differently. Their entire NBA experience has involved them shooting more than passing. This year, everyone wants them to pass because we actually have some other people on the team that can play. Give it time and hope that Rudy takes more initive to get the team on the same page. Steve and Cat will pass more. Steve had nine assists last night. I don't know what's wrong with that. Not to mention that he would have more if people would make there shots more consistently.
     
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    At least the Rockets have a tape of how to do it right and how to break down different defenses. Steve and Mooch will be studying that for years... :eek:
     
  15. codell

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    Steve maybe ........

    The only thing Mooch will be studying is how much more gear can he possibly wear when playing. :eek:
     
  16. payaso

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    there are so many clowns posting here these days that it seems that their knowledge of what NBA basketball is, is limited to what they can do with a PS2 and a game controller. Steve Francis looks great when rendered in 3D- I think the commercial with him watching his 3D doppelganger and trying to learn new moves is a telling statement.
    He is the classic well-intentioned numbskull; he wants to win but has no inkling of a notion of how that is done in the big picture. Ask Bill Willoughby if talent alone spells a successful NBA career.
    He needs a Larry Brown or George Karl to make him angry enough to pay the price to win. Rudy would be a great team ambassador once more and could have the mantle of responsibility lifted from his shoulders.

    Unfortunately, that won't happen this season.

    What could happen is ship Mobley to Minnesota for Terrell Brandon, straight up.

    Steve Francis must play the 2 or sit. He, his agent, and NBA marketing department can all go to hell if they're not committed to doing what it takes for this team to win.

    This is a sloppy team that shows no promise of being greater than the sum of its parts.

    Steve in Austin, I'm with you- Rockets fan since I first moved to Houston in '90; now relocated, but following with a more dispassionate eye.
     
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    Lets see, the backcourt combines to score 55 points, Francis has 33 points 11 rebounds, 9 assists and almost has a triple-double, but they're the problem and you want to make major changes after 4 games, where the Rockes are 2-2 and still growing and getting healthy. You're ticked that a young team isn't acting like a veteran team so your answer is dump the #2 scorer and a guy giving you double-digit rebounds and is a shot-blocker in the earlier going. This makes a lot of sense, why wait for the team to gell when we can break them up after one bad game where they lost by 7 to a team with a hot PG who is a HOF PG.
     
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    Francis must play the 2? Did you even see Francis numbers last night? Yeah he had 33 points and 11 rebounds, but he had 9 assist. It's like some people are robots, when the team loses the first thing they want to say is "Move Francis to shooting guard, trade Mobley". The Rockets lose, "Move Francis to SG, and trade Mobley for a PG with a bad knee who may never play again." The team has 19 assist and score 97 points "This team is selfish, trade Mobley and move Francis to 2-guard". I mean your dispassionate why, because a young team has started the season 2-2 and is getting better and better? The team scored the most points it has all year, it had the most team assist it had all year, the defense needs to improve but Francis, Mobley and Griffin, who are an average age of about 23, put up 78 points and 19 rebounds and 12 assist yet people are down on the team, want to break it up, and are "dispassionate" about a young team that after early season growing pains are still 2-2? I just don't understand.
     
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    SNCNS, I couldn't agree with you more. Even if we are 25 + yrs of age and the Rox have been "OUR FAVORITE TEAM" for 10 + yrs, we are still branded haters if we are critical of "OUR" own team. For some reason some of the dudes on this post do not want to admit that "OUR" team looks like $hit! Even if they have only had four games this season to do so. They have had four years. Don't give me that crap about 45 wins. They did not play as a team then either. Plus, we still had Hakeem and they barely got him involved when he was healthy. We one most of those games if I remember correctly, when they did get him involved. Our "TEAM" looks like $hit. Blame it on the players selfishness, the teams injuries, the lack of depth, or put it on the coaches ignorance. Either way as a team we have looked like $hit for a while. I know so many people who were die hard Rocket fans like myself for years, that will not watch the games anymore.

    So my question is to all those "Non Haters" out there. If it isn't the players or the coaches with the problem, then what is the problem? If you don't know the answer or just can't admit it to yourself, then just label me a "Hater", talk your smack, and have a beautiful day.
     
  20. u851662

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    I agree with Steve in Austin, Payaso, and Believe.. Although last night I do think the Rocks took a step in the right direction. They played a good game I was really impressed in the 1st quarter. They kept feeding the hot man (E.G.). Steve passed the ball and took the shots i thought he was capable of making. Either way you look at it, I dont think Steve is to blame. He is our franchise player, he is the person I want with the ball when the game is on the line or when the rest of the squad needs to be carried. But some of you are running out of excuses for the Rockets. I love them just as much as the next man, but like my own child when they are messing up and doing wrong not playing to their potential I will not make excuses for them. Bottom line im sick of some of you sighting the same ol' excuses for them. Be a man and admit it when you are messing up. I have not passed judgment on the rockets yet this season because the season is too young. I will pass mine a little after mid way through the year. Unfortunately last night the Sonics were just on fire!
     

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