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Three Point Shooting and Rafer

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by tinman, Jul 17, 2008.

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How many 3 pointers will Rafer jack up next season?

  1. <400

    50 vote(s)
    39.1%
  2. between 400 and 450

    41 vote(s)
    32.0%
  3. between 450 and 500

    14 vote(s)
    10.9%
  4. > 500

    23 vote(s)
    18.0%
  1. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Some numbers struck me when analyzing last season

    2007-2008
    3pt Attempts 3pt %

    Alston 407 (35%)
    Battier 369 (38%)
    Tmac 295 (29%)

    In Rocket's history
    http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/HOU/leaders_season.html

    3-Pt Field Goal Attempts
    1. Rafer Alston 529 2006-07
    2. Vernon Maxwell 510 1990-91
    3. Vernon Maxwell 473 1991-92
    4. Vernon Maxwell 441 1994-95
    5. Tracy McGrady 435 2004-05
    6. Cuttino Mobley 420 2003-04
    7. Rafer Alston 407 2007-08
    8. Jim Jackson 405 2003-04
    9. Vernon Maxwell 403 1993-94
    10. Luther Head 401 2006-07

    3-Pt Field Goal Attempts
    1. Vernon Maxwell 2241
    2. Cuttino Mobley 1807
    3. Matt Bullard 1432
    4. Steve Francis 1363
    5. Tracy McGrady 1345
    6. Kenny Smith 1280
    7. Rafer Alston 1248
    8. Clyde Drexler* 1072
    9. Mario Elie 970
    10. Luther Head 939

    Is Rafer trying to be the biggest chucker in Rocket's history?
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    "From way downtown"-2-My Lou
     
    #1 tinman, Jul 17, 2008
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  2. sjackson0

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    Rafer really gets a bad wrap.....On a team with two max out superstars, he played well last year as a surprise 3rd option. He kept us in games and won games for us.....Hell!!! if he had played in game 1 and 2, we might have won the damn series again the Jazz lol. Sad that he gets a bad wrap for having to shoot because he was left open.
     
  3. wingz0

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    Well...to be fair, I'd rather take him shooting that thing from downtown at a roughly 35+% clip than him taking it to the hole repeatedly and only finishing at a sub-50% clip...I think the point differential based on the percentages that he's converting these shots actually favours him taking the 3 rather than taking it in and shooting one of his god-awful teardrops.
     
  4. declan32001

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    At least last year he finally started to hit teardrops (I can still here Geno wretch) but the open 3s in this offense you have to take.

    And don't worry, no one will ever be the chucker Mad Max was. His place in history is secure. :D
     
  5. t_mac1

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    when he gets the touches out of double teams, usually they're WIDE OPEN 3pt shots. he has to take them. however, as the season went on, he did do a good job of attacking the basket.

    35% is a very good %. his 2pt% is what needs work.
     
  6. MayoRocket

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    I voted <400. it's just wishful thinking.
     
  7. mms

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    with our future 3rd guy, rafer will have less 3p attempts.
     
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    [​IMG]

    OH NO!!!!!

    jk! I love Skip
     
  9. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    you realize if if he averages 497 3 point attempts in the next 2 years, he will be the #1 jacker in Rockets history!!!!
     
  10. BrooksBall

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    Why isn't there an option for >1000?
     
  11. t_mac1

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    lol u just don't like that he'll possibly beat out crazy max
     
  12. jsmee2000

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    I voted less than 400 b/c we got Barry now (also, if Greene cracks the rotation I can see him chucking up 3's as well)

    Tinman,

    You should have also listed how many 3-Pt Field Goal Made. It is interesting that Vernon Maxwell shot on average 5.57 3's per game (as a Rocket) while Rafer is at an average of 5.42 (as a Rocket). Not much of a difference!
     
  13. declan32001

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    Yeah, but Vernon would just start jacking 3s because he was pissed off at something/someone - and with Dream on the court under the old rules.

    I've seen Rafer try to "answer" when his man scores on him but I've never seen him not try to run the offense on consecutive possessions.

    Max was in a league by himself many times. That's why you love him so much. ;)
     
  14. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Rafer is OUR POINT GUARD. Maxwell was a shooting guard.


    The difference is that Maxwell's 3 pointers were more memorable
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  15. jsmee2000

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    For sure...Maxwell was one crazy dude though!
     
  16. t_mac1

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    obviously b/c those were championship teams. give this team a chance and as they go deep, maybe rafer will have some memorable 3s
     
  17. tinman

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    I hope he does, but I don't trust Rafer on those fade away falling out of bounds 40 footers.

    part of me thinks that's TMAC'S JOB!!
     
  18. t_mac1

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    i think rafer has improved. rafer REALLY frustrated me after the 06-07 playoffs when he shot 33% in the playoffs. but he really tried to penetrate more last yr and actually made more of his floaters. give him time with adelman. i think adelman gives him enough freedom where he'll excel. I look for good things with rafer next year.

    falling out of bound 40 footers? i don't recall rafer doing that?
     
  19. tinman

    tinman 999999999
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    Rick Adelman would be out of Houston if he allows Rafer to shoot a 1000 3s.

    This is still really amazing

    3-Pt Field Goal Attempts
    1. Rafer Alston 529 2006-07

    529 THREE POINTERS!!! and that's with TRACY MCGRADY ON YOUR TEAM!!
     
  20. durvasa

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    According to basketball-reference, here are the biggest 3-point chuckers based on attempts per minute (at least 5000 minutes played with the team):

    Biggest Chuckers?


    Here are the relevant per-minute stats:

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    Rk             Player From   To   G    MP   FG  FGA   3P  3PA   PTS  FG%  3P% 
    1        Matt Bullard 1991 2001 538  8074  4.9 11.7  2.5  6.4  13.3 .422 .389 
    2      Vernon Maxwell 1990 1995 402 13299  5.9 14.6  2.0  6.1  16.2 .405 .326 
    3         Luther Head 2006 2008 233  5900  4.7 11.0  2.3  5.7  13.0 .424 .393 
    4        Rafer Alston 2006 2008 219  7997  4.6 12.1  2.0  5.6  12.7 .383 .350 
    5       Tracy McGrady 2005 2008 262  9906  8.4 19.8  1.6  4.9  23.0 .423 .317 
    6       Clyde Drexler 1995 1998 219  8041  6.5 14.5  1.6  4.8  18.6 .445 .339 
    7       Shane Battier 2007 2008 162  5895  3.4  7.8  1.8  4.5   9.6 .438 .399 
    8      Cuttino Mobley 1999 2004 436 16344  5.8 13.5  1.5  4.0  16.4 .432 .372 
    9          Mario Elie 1994 1998 344  9562  4.2  8.9  1.3  3.7  12.6 .480 .363 
    10        Kenny Smith 1991 1996 468 13712  5.7 11.6  1.4  3.4  15.5 .490 .407 
    11      Steve Francis 2000 2008 384 15024  6.0 14.0  1.1  3.3  17.4 .430 .345 
    12       Robert Horry 1993 1996 295  9408  4.5 10.2  1.1  3.1  11.9 .447 .356 
    13       Sleepy Floyd 1988 1993 439 11631  5.7 13.3  1.0  2.9  15.6 .427 .334 
    14   Shandon Anderson 2000 2001 164  5096  4.5  9.7  0.9  2.8  12.1 .461 .316 
    15         John Lucas 1977 1990 325  9680  5.5 12.3  0.8  2.6  14.0 .446 .308 
    16    Charles Barkley 1997 2000 183  6398  5.9 12.2  0.5  1.9  17.0 .482 .253 
    17     Moochie Norris 2000 2006 341  6462  3.9  9.5  0.5  1.8  10.7 .408 .283 
    18   Rudy Tomjanovich 1971 1981 768 25714  7.9 15.7  0.4  1.5  18.7 .501 .262 
    19      Allen Leavell 1980 1989 700 16248  5.6 12.6  0.3  1.3  14.8 .450 .234 
    
    Subjectively, I'd have to say the biggest chuckers in team history are between Vernon Maxwell and Tracy McGrady, when considering MPG, attempts per minute, and 3P%. Rafer would be in the next tier.
     
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