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This team needs a bigger penetrator (SG) and a bigger PF/C

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Da Wink, Jan 14, 2008.

  1. Da Wink

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    After watchin the Hornets game, it's obvious that this team needs a bigger and quicker SG that can dribble drive and penetrate.That SG can also pull up for the midrange jumper and dish. I can see that only Brooks has this ability..but he's a PG and lacks height...our SG's are only Head (only spot up shooting) and Bonzi (only knows power play while posting up) I wonder who's available out there whom we can get on the trade deadline...McCants? G. Green? R. Davis? L. Hughes? (huge contract) T. Sefolosha? (I wonder why he's not playin on the Bulls ryt now)

    And for the bigger PF/C, we can also see on the Hornets game that Hayes has been abused by West. He lacks height when rebounding though we can't ask more for his hustle...I wonder if we could pry Shelden Williams from Atlanta? Hilton Armstrong? Wilcox?

    watcha think guys?
     
  2. f_chowd0696

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    so, you need a tall sg who can dribble well, have a good mid range game, can penetrate, and dish the ball...... hmm.... Im not sure if kobe on the market anymore
     
  3. Rockets34Legend

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    Umm, what about T-Mac?

    Scola and Hayes have been doing a good job. They just caught West on a good night.
     
  4. durvasa

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    A tall SG who can penetrate, pull up for the midrange jumper, and pass. Hmm ... nope, I don't see any player like that on our roster.
     
  5. battousai

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    Tmac is or was that player.

    The problem with our team was shooting and players standing around and not playing what they suppose to be doing in AD system.

    We will have to see how Tmac respond to this system after coming back from long rest.

    IF tmac failed to incorporate AD system, then trade may not be a bad idea.
     
  6. hooroo

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    West is an undersized PF himself.
     
  7. Da Wink

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    That SG I was talkin about was other than Tmac of course...That's another discussion if he can't incorporate himself to Rick's system.. ;)
     
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    *cough* McGrady and Scola *cough*
     
  9. thumbs

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    Obviously our Head is not big enough.:D

    Seriously, though, we need to get Houstonite Gerald Green from Minnesota.
     
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    PF/C in the Tim Duncan Mold? haha when we tank another 30 games or so maybe we can draft a guy. A guy like that comes every 20 years. Do you see any of those guys in next years draft? Cause I don't. Roy Hibbert a three star draft prospect from Georgetown the closest thing. Maybe you can put a package together for Nene but then again, we don't have enough money. We'll have to make do with Landry/Scola and PF/C.
     
  11. Carl Herrera

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    So, the tiny penetrators going backdoor is failing to satisfy you?
     
  12. doublebogey

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    Head's problem is not only about his size, this kid is afraid of contact and getting hurt when he's finishing around the basket. Head's elevation on finishing around the basket is very low. That's the same about Rafer Alston. That's one of the reasons why they finish layups so badly.

    One thing that's likeable about Aaron Brooks is his assertiveness and aggressiveness. Just look at the put back dunk (although it didnt count) in yesterday's game. Adelman should put Brooks in the final minutes of games.
     
  13. Jelle

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    First on the SG point:

    You're wrong because Head penetrated a few times and even though he failed he can do it from time to time. The thing is though you can't expect a SG behind T-mac to be a jumpshooter, disher etc. We have PGs for that and there are not many teams with 2 SGs with all those skills you want a SG to have. See, in the 93-94 roster we had that with Maxwell who could penetrate, dish, shoot the three and Elie behind him. It's very rare to have two SGs like that so you're asking too much for an average player like Head, i haven't seen Snyder play so i can't comment on him. I think Francis might be the answer though because he can spot up and shoot, penetrate, dish and he is and never was a PG. I agree that Head is not the best SG and i won't even go into Bonzi but when T-mac's back we have 1 great SG and three players who can come off the bench (Head, Francis and Snyder)

    PF:

    You're right that our PF's are too short, i noticed it too when Hayes was really up in West's face and he still made the shots but Adelman said they will give West that shot. They more worried about double teaming Chris Paul but we have Yao for rebounding and Scola + Hayes rebounded so i don't agree with you there. We could use a bigger PF but it's not necessary. Hayes is a great defender, Scola is a better than average defender and a good scorer and Landry will develop into a great Forward too. You do say PF/C so my solution is give Mutombo some damn playing time instead of Scola or another F at C.
     
  14. DonkeyMagic

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    i was thinking about the draft a few days ago, which is kind of sad, but anywho...this team does lack a legit SG. The ones they have are either slower and not great drivers (bonzi, battier) or undersized (luther, MJ, etc)

    I know there is tmac but he is a 3 in my mind and thats where he plays best...especially at this point in his career. Getting to the basket and finishing has been a problem for this team for a while now. I hoped snyder was going to become that SG who would fill that void :eek: but it doesnt look like thats going to happen.

    PF- I actually think they are ok. I think landry will be a good player and scola will only get better (not to mention hayes). I could see drafting someone with some length and shot blocking ability, which is non existent outside of yao and deke, who can play PF and C.
     
  15. mac_got_this

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    Brooks should also get tha defensive assignment on tha best penetrating guard too, in tha last minutes. he shouldve been tha one guarding cp in tha last minute last night, not rafer. rafer can't deny penetration.
     
  16. Clutch

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    Every time I think about how the Rockets missed the mark scouting-wise on Rudy Gay in 05-06, I have to remember that they had absolutely targeted the correct player in Brandon Roy. How incredible would he be for the Rockets as a classic big guard?

    <a href="http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1306/van_gundy_pride_hurts_rockets/">That Denver win</a> ... err, so angering. If JVG hadn't continued his development of Juwan Howard and David Wesley (so that they could hone their skills in Dallas and a retirement home today), the Rockets would have had a 67% chance of landing the 6th or 7th pick, and thus having Roy or Foye (to trade for Roy).

    I do agree the Rockets could use a bigger sharpshooter at the big guard though, moving T-Mac to small forward. They have been throwing points, tweeners and wings at the two spot for too long.
     
  17. neobomb

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    we already have tmac and everyteam needs a good PF so what else is new :rolleyes:
     
  18. weslinder

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    I don't think he's available.

    No. He sucks beyond imagination.

    Oh, God, please no.

    Better, but still not good. I wouldn't give up the players that we'd have to for a player to back up T-Mac.

    He's been the definition of inconsistent so far. If he came cheap, maybe, but I don't know why the Bulls would give up him already.

    I still think we'd do better by going after a real point guard. Andre Miller is available, he'd give us the penetration, mid-range shooting, and he wouldn't give it up on the other end.
     
  19. thumbs

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    First, McCants is scarcely better ... or bigger ... than Luther Head.

    Second, Green has not performed well in Minnesota -- that's true. However, he looked very good in Boston. IMO that's because he has not picked up the Wolves' defensive scheme and that has affected his offense. The kid just turned 22 a few days ago so he has plenty of "upside."

    If the Rockets acquire him now, we will have a better chance of retaining him in free agency this summer. At $1.4M Green looks like a cheap draft choice who has youth, size, athleticism, shooting skills and Houston roots.
     
  20. hooroo

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    Head, James, Snyder and a protected 1st round pick for Mike Dunleavy.

    Indiana have slumped a bit. Their PG and SG depth is pretty dire considering Andre "who?" Owens and Kareem Rush have started there for them in several games recently due to injury and just to shake things up.
     

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