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This off-season rafer must dramatically improve his shot

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocket3forlife2, Jun 12, 2006.

  1. rocket3forlife2

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    You wanted a pass first point guard you got him. When it come to deferring to yao and t-mac getting the ball up the floor, passing the ball in the low post, and disappearing off the court Rafer Alston brings it every nite. The catch is while everybody celebrating about him being able to do what me or you could do.Rafer doesn’t put pressure on opposing defenses and can’t knock down the three or any other shot on a consist basis :mad: . Just think about all the teams that where good this year phoenix, heat, Dallas, Chicago, Cleveland etc…you can’t leave any of those guys guards open. They can either get to the bucket at will or knock down a wide open shot. If rafer can’t knock down wide open shots next season then I don’t think he is the right fit for this team. Does anybody know what this guy is trying to improve on this off season? If he doesn’t improve we will get owned again by everybody in our division once again.
     
  2. Honey Bear

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    Shooting = confidence.

    He had a beautiful touch in Miami when no attention was paid to him, I fully expect him to shoot atleast 38% from long distance next season, contingent on a healthy Yao + TMac.
     
  3. krosfyah

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    Not to sound like a jerk, but this topic has been discussed endlessly in the Mike James trade threads. Your sentiment is the battle cry of all the MJames fans.

    Conversely, there are others that are on a wait-and-see basis with Rafer. He put up some of the best assist stats for a Rocket PG in who knows how long. He wasn't effective mostly because his main assist targets were injured. These folks say wait until next season when Yao and TMac are healthy and we should see the payoff.

    As this thread progresses, if it does, you'll simply see different permintations of these same two tired arguments.

    Boy, I can't wait until the draft so we'll have something new to talk about. :)
     
  4. m_cable

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    On one of the radio interviews CD said they knew it was something that they needed to work on with Rafer. Don't know if they're following up on that. We aren't hearing any kind of training reports on our guys, except for the Chinese sites updating what Yao is doing.
     
  5. verse

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    hiring the "shot doctor" chip engelland (sp?) away from the spurs would be a fantastic shot. looking at the work he did in one season with tony parker's shot is all the proof you should need.
     
  6. SamFisher

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    Parker's still a youngster despite being around for a while. Plus the fact that he can actually get to the basket and finish gives him more options.


    The chance of Rafer magically becoming a gunner at age 30 is.....slim.

    Sure he put up some decent numbers in a support role in Miami and Toronto a few years back. But I don't think you'll see him shoot in the high 30's from 3 if he's playing 30-40 mpg. He just doesn't have it in him.
     
  7. verse

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    i think that if a person is willing to make mechanical adjustments in their shot, there can be at least a slight improvement in their FG%. juwan howard is another example. his form may not be perfect (bad hitch) but it has improved from his early playing days. his teacher? engelland again.

    i just don't see how it would do anything other than help a team plagued with bad shooters to hire someone who has a track record in improving a player's shooting ability.
     
  8. SamFisher

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    or we could stop getting rid of people who can shoot for people who can't.
     
  9. verse

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    laughing and sobbing...laughing and sobbing...
     
  10. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    do you guys realize that this guy shot 39% from the three line three seasons ago and 37% in miami. I knew he was a good shooter from behind the arc in miami before I looked up his stats. I don't know what happened. maybe its a case of a role player given too much responsability.
     
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    My argument has nothing to do with mike James...not once did I mention mile James in my post. I’m not pro mike James over everything, but mike James at the point is better then a rafer any day that's common sense. I just want people how can put the ball in the basket and put pressure on the defense. When rafer hits a long shot I feel like a miracle just happened while watching the tube. In order for our team to be dominant with the center we have... our other players have to be able to knock down shot’s and play Defense specially the point guard are mark my words ...."We are going to suck".
     
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    This was Alston's worst 3-pt shooting season since his breakthrough season a couple years back.

    Like another poster pointed out, shooting is a lot about confidence. I think Alston will have a good season next year, hell, I thought he was pretty decent considering the injury problems we had.
     
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    I agree with this Alston is not a starting point guard. He is a very good come off the bench relieve your starting point guard kind of guy. We are trying to book him in as one of the missing pieces for Yao and t Mac. We need to stop trying to hype this dynamic duo up we have and get 3 more other guys at least to go with them that can score...Who cares who put the ball in the basket this would free yao and t Mac up.
     
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    I think I will double my Prozac dosage now.....

    This team is enough to make an atheist get on his knees and pray to the God of the Universe and beg for help!

    "Please God I promise to be good if you can help Ryan Bowen hit a shot, any shot, in this game!"

    That is something I hope I never have to say next season.

    :D
     
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    I am aware that we are not a great shooting team but check out our supposed "shooters" in 93-94:
    Player FG 3ptFG
    Maxwell 38.93% 29.78%
    Cassell 41.75% 29.55%
    Smith 47.96% 40.45%
    Elie 44.64% 33.53%
    Horry 45.87% 32.25%
    Bullard 34.51% 32.47%

    Alston 37.9% 32.7%

    Now obviously the 94 team stepped it up in the playoffs but they still managed to be effective even with these horrible 3 point percentages other than Kenny Smith. Smith was the lone exception, his numbers look more indicitative of the "shooting" guard position and Maxwell's look like "point" guard stats. I know Rafer needs to improve his shooting, but it is so much more glaring because we don't have that great shooter like Kenny was that makes life so much more easier. I don't know why people think the "point" guard position has to be the "shooter". It would be nice if the point guard could shoot but your shooting guard has to be the one to fill this role. So give Rafer a break and see how he does next year with a solid shooting guard and two superstars. He will be much better next year while having a decent 3 point percentage(35%). What he needs to work on the most is finishing field goals at a higher percentage which he will and did when Tmac and Yao were playing.
     
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    Rafer's mechanics are way messed up. He's not getting enough elevation, not enough leg, and way too much arm in his shot. He needs a shooting coach to rectify his form and he should be greatly improved.
     
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    my point exactly.
     
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    parker's shot got better because he stopped shooting 3's
     
  19. OddsOn

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    Talk about your hyperbole.... :eek:


    Rafer wasn't our problem last year, what was wrong with our team was the fact that the players we had playing our swingman positions (SG / SF) couldn't hit a jump shot or have success driving the lane.
     
  20. Yetti

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    What dream are you having? Rafer is a fairly decent Point Guard, but one thing for sure is that he hardlyever deferrs to Yao Ming. I have see Yao Ming calling for the ball as he is ready in the post up position, Rafer refuse to pass and moves the the ball to the opposite side of the court. Even when he is forced to be involved with Yao Ming he mostly deferrs to another player to pass it into Yao! By the way he has no dificulty in passing to Tracy McGrady.
    Although decent he is lacking in both scoring and playmaking.
     

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