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This might help Kobe's defense...check it out

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by leibs2002, Jul 20, 2003.

  1. leibs2002

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    http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercuryn...rts/6343029.htm

    I'm not saying this proves she is lying, but the defense will eat this up in court. Any shakiness in character doesn't look too good for her. Personally, I find it hard to believe that Kobe actually raped her, and this just shows that emotionally she isn't completely stable. Your thoughts?
     
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    First, your link goes to an index (you must click on sports). Second, it's to California publications which are wildly pro-Kobe because they are desperate to have a championship back in the state. Third, this is nothing more than part of the multi-million dollar slander campaign against a 19-year-old girl. Fourth, it proves nothing just as the emergence of all of the skeletons in Kobe's closet proves nothing. Fifth, let the jury decide Bare Bryant's guilt or innocence.

    P.S. Bryant's new nickname has nothing to do with the rape allegations but his admission of "infidelity."
     
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  3. leibs2002

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    Sorry, here is the correct link:

    http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/6343029.htm


    Although you are right about the publication being "pro Kobe" I don't think they just made up a bunch of quotes and a false story. The story is most likely legit and can therefore be used in the court of law to show a flaw in the victim's character. Whether it is relevant to that night or not, it definitely would change how the defense approaches the case.
     
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    Regradless of what is moraly right or wrong, we're talking about the law here. The same things happen to good men when they try to get in politics. One small thing from their past comes back from 20 years to haunt them.

    Kobe's lawyers will destroy every aspect of her credibilty. From her drug overdose to her trying to be on American Idle. It will be alot easier to scarnish her image in court than Kobe's. Kobe will come out looking like the victim.

    I'm not debating on who's right or wrong here, but this is just how real life works.
     
  5. glad_ken

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    Kobe Case Breaking News

    Bryant's accuser had dark secret
    Woman alleging sex assault had recently overdosed amid her anguish, friends say.

    By HEATHER LOURIE and MARCIA C. SMITH
    The Orange County Register


    EAGLE, COLO – Everyone here knew her as the popular Eagle Valley Senior High School cheerleader springing with vibrant spirit and sweet smiles, as the beautiful singer always ready to perform in school musicals with the clearest voice and the strongest heart.

    But her close friends have been doggedly protecting a secret in the unnerving days since the 19-year-old woman accused Los Angeles Lakers All-Star Kobe Bryant of forcing her to have sex with him - a secret that Bryant's attorneys could use to undermine her credibility, legal experts say.

    Two months before the woman went to the Eagle County Sheriff's Department on July 1 alleging that Bryant had sexually assaulted her, the woman suffered under such mental anguish that she overdosed on pills and was rushed to a hospital, her friends told The Orange County Register.

    "I think it was just a cry for help," said Lindsey McKinney, 18, who lived at the woman's house in May, when the woman took the pills.

    The Register is not identifying the woman because of the sensitive nature of the case.

    McKinney was visiting other friends when, about 2 a.m. one day, she learned from the woman's ex-boyfriend that the woman had "overdosed."

    McKinney rushed to the woman's Eagle home and found the woman incoherent, lethargic and seemingly drunk.

    "I was scared. She wasn't really talking at all," McKinney said. "I was like, ' you need to open your eyes.' "

    Moments later, the woman's parents awoke and called 911. An ambulance responded and took the woman to a hospital, McKinney said.

    Some friends said they thought the overdose was an accident. Not McKinney.

    "I don't think it was accidental. I was there," McKinney said.

    The police dispatch call that night is currently sealed from the public by investigators. The Register's request for the records is the subject of legal action.

    Legal experts say an overdose and the woman's apparent mental instability could undermine her credibility in what is bound to be a trial of character, pitting a young, small-town woman against a popular big-city basketball hero who makes more than $11 million a year selling his wholesome image.

    "This is powerful evidence and the answer to the defense's prayers," said Robert Pugsley, a criminal law professor at Southwestern University School of Law in Los Angeles.

    The defense attorneys are "looking for a way to demonstrate that this woman is hysterical and over-reactive," Pugsley said. "This is literally dynamite evidence, a bonanza for the defense and a landmine for prosecution."

    Pugsley said this kind of evidence, if exploited by the defense, could be enough to stop the case before it reaches trial.

    "(Bryant's defense attorneys) could say that her interpretation of the events is at total odds with what really occurred, which was an act of mutual intercourse."

    Another legal expert said this information could cause the prosecutor to worry.

    "Emotional instability is always of great concern when you are evaluating a witness's credibility," said Paul Meyer, a former Orange County homicide prosecutor and criminal defense attorney.

    District Attorney Mark Hurlbert, who charged Bryant with one count of a Class 3 felony sexual assault Friday, was unavailable for comment Saturday night.

    The woman's father declined to comment Saturday.

    According to the complaint, Bryant, 24, of Newport Coast forced the woman to have sex with him June 30 at the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera, where the woman worked at the front desk and where Bryant had been a guest from June 30 to July 2.

    On Friday, Bryant publicly admitted that he committed adultery with the woman but said he is innocent of assault. His attorneys could not be reached for comment Saturday.

    The woman's friends said her difficult year doesn't mean she lied about the alleged sexual assault.

    "I know she had been going through a lot, but I know that she wouldn't lie," said Ashley Scriver, 19, of Eagle, who also acknowledges the overdose.

    Friends of the woman say she was distraught to have returned home from her freshman year at the University of Northern Colorado at Greeley to discover that her ex-boyfriend - her high-school sweetheart - had begun dating another woman.

    "There just seems like there is a lot of things going wrong in her life," said Tyson Ivie, 18, a classmate, who called the overdose "a big secret" that friends have been unwilling to talk about until now.

    "The police station is holding back information about her," he said.

    Around the same time of her overdose, the woman mourned the loss of a close friend, Nicole Clements, 18, who had rolled her Chevy truck over in Burns, Colo., while returning from Red Canyon High School graduation June 1.

    "She was going through a lot, but she was strong," said Nicole McDonough, an Eagle Valley Senior High schoolmate and neighbor of the woman.

    "It was kind of boom, boom, boom," McKinney said, feeling compassion for her friend.

    "I think the things that happened to her in the past had a lot to do with what (she said) happened that night."

    That night, that is, that forever changed the lives of a young woman and a basketball superstar.
     
  6. rezdawg

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    Kobe = Innocent
     
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    There is no need for Kobe to rape anyone. If anything, most teenage girls want to rape him. Some people have said that rape is about power and that Kobe would enjoy this "power". Thats B.S.. Kobe may have been an idiot for cheating on his wife, but he is smart enough to know where to draw the line.

    How many professional athletes within the last decade have been accused of rape? And now Kobe, of all people, is the one that does it? Dont think so.

    This leads me to one conclusion: Game over for the little Ho in Colorado.
     
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    There is already a thread on this story.

    Again, this is just the start of a multi-million dollar campaign to smear a 19-year-old girl. Even the New York Times (and who can believe them!) had a story about how rape victims are trashed by criminal defense lawyers without anybody to speak for them.

    Where is NOW (National Organization of Women) now? They are hiding in foxholes because California is the source of the bulk of their money.

    This girl may be a money-grubbing w****. Then again, Kobe may have become crazed when a fan just said "no." (Remember, rape is about power and not sex).

    Let the judge and jury decide -- without the influence of Bare Bryant's slander machine.
     
  9. CriscoKidd

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    people said the same kind of things about OJ.

    glad to see you have it all figured out rez.
     
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    I wonder how you would feel if this girl were your daughter?
     
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    SO, your wife or your daughter wants to rape kobe?

    Maybe you ****Hole wants to rape him too.


    Conclusion: you are a ****hole.
     
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    Just like O.J. was innocent? Just like what's his name that shotgunned the chauffer to death in New Jersey?

    Sports heroes aren't perfect no matter how much you worship them, Rezdawg.

    What giddy 19-year-old girl eager for an autograph and a chance to talk with a "superstar" wouldn't pop right over as soon as he called the front desk? (if that's what happened). Let the judge and jury decide before you start calling this girl a "ho."
     
  13. rezdawg

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    What 19 year old would deny sex from a superstar such as Kobe? We arent talking about fat albert or sam bowie. Girls get wet over this guy just thinking about him.
     
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    Who said I have it figured out? Glad to see you think you have it figured out, oh wise one.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything?

    A. I dont have a daughter
    B. I would be all for it if she had a chance to hook up with a superstar. I mean, if I had a son, I would want him to get with any hot chick he could. So, why would I have a double standard?
     
  16. rezdawg

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    I said teenage girls...therefore, if I had a wife, she wouldnt be a teenager. And maybe I want to rape him too? What?


    If I did have a daughter that was a teenage girl, I would hope that she would want him. Because if she doesnt, then there would a problem with her sexuality.
     
  17. CriscoKidd

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    lets see. You know that teenage girls want to rape him. :rolleyes:

    you know that kobe is smart enough to draw the line.

    you should just save the prosecuter his time and tell him your verdict is in.
     
  18. rezdawg

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    Do you actually think that the prosecution has any chance in this trial?

    Lets look at some evidence...

    The girls best friend died just prior to this whole thing.
    She's having big time relationship problems.
    She recently overdosed on pills.
    She paid the food guy 20 dollars to be able to deliver the food to Kobe's room.


    Yeah, looks like Kobe has the problems here. The girl is falling off the deep end. She needs help.
     
  19. CriscoKidd

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    Once again, I'm glad you have it all figured out. Props to rezdawg.
     
  20. rezdawg

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    You're adding so much analysis to this thread. Its nice to see that you only care about your post count.

    If you are so confident that Kobe is guilty, lets make a bet right here. My 500 dollars to your 20 bucks.
     

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