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These are the stories the President needs to tell.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Northside Storm, Aug 19, 2009.

  1. Northside Storm

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    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/story?id=4038257&page=1

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/16/health.care.hearing/

    The President needs to stand up for what he believes in. There are those who deride the gouvernment as a potential bogeyman and they may be right, but it is ultimately true that there already IS a monster in the system already. If people want to tune into emotions rather then cold hard facts, then let the stories speak for themselves. There is plenty of emotional hyperbole that can be crafted from them (and this is just the tip of the iceberg!). Corporate death panels. Companies that will abandon you at the nearest opportunity. Handshake deals that will lead you to lose EVERYTHING. The fact is, I am sick and tired of the President taking this crap. There is nobody and I mean nobody that could be more undesirable then a button-pusher who regulates lives and deaths based on profit and the President finds himself, like all the Presidents before him, in the unenviable position of pandering to these interests. It's time to break this cycle. If the President has ANY panache, any will to stand behind his words of not punting this crap down, then he better start fighting for it.
     
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  2. Major

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    Completely agree here. The messaging by the Obama admin has been on an intellectual level. That's great for a policy discussion, but not for a public opinion campaign.

    The latest polling shows that 50% of Americans have severe misconceptions on the details of the plan, mostly from the garbage GOP talking points. That needs to be corrected.
     
  3. bigtexxx

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    anecdotal evidence is the weakest kind
     
  4. JeopardE

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    Not in the court of public opinion. Since right wingers can't be bothered with truth and facts these days, fighting the barrage of misinformation with strong anecdotes such as these might actually be a much more practical strategy.
     
  5. Northside Storm

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    And curiously enough, the most appealing. Certain Republicans know this; that's why they're spinning crap about Stephen Hawking. It's about time the president fights back with legitimate stories of the American people.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html
     
  6. GladiatoRowdy

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    When one side of the debate ignores the empirical evidence and instead simply yells "SOCIALISM" at the top of their lungs, anecdotal evidence is apparently the only thing that will appeal.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html?_r=1
     
  8. SuperStar

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    sigh, maybe the democrats can find their version of Joe the Plumber for health care.
     
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    “UPS and FedEx are doing just fine. It’s the Post Office that’s always having problems.”

    The best story Obama has told so far :rolleyes:
     
  10. Northside Storm

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    well, someone needs to tell him that he is not lacking in source material, should he ever choose to write a new narrative for American health care.

    http://articles.latimes.com/2006/sep/17/business/fi-revoke17?pg=1

    http://select.nytimes.com/2006/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html?pagewanted=print
     
  11. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Prior to telling these stories, however, he needs to put together a comprehensive presentation explaining exactly how his plan would prevent these things from happening. The stories will be much more compelling if he can reference specific parts of the plan and describe how that will prevent these sorts of cases.
     
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    You are absolutely correct. I have excellent health insurance, probably in the top 5% of policies available, and I live in fear that I, or my loved ones, will require a major procedure and the insurance company will ferret out some error on a form, or unreported "pre-existing condition" to deny coverage.

    These practices need to be well publicized because they are real and will resonate with people.
     
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    Maybe these are actual people going to an early grave because they can't afford to say alive in the United States, you stupid ****ing ****.
     
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    I agree with using people's emotions and fear to get something done.

    signed.

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  15. Fatty FatBastard

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    I've yet to see anyone say anything about my propsal I stated earlier:

    Universal "oh ****" coverage for everyone, but we all have a $5,000 deduct.

    We pay for the small stuff out of our own pockets, and we're all covered for the nightmare stories posted above.

    To me, it's the easiest way to compromise.

    Thoughts?
     
  16. thadeus

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    ...the difference being that these are actual people who actually died, not vanishing WMDs and vague allegations.
     
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    Also signed every leader there is, including...

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    Now that I know that people won't die once we have universal healthcare I'm all for it.
     
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    This is just silly.

    At least people won't die, when they could have been saved if they had the cash, simply because they had the bad luck to be born poor.
     
  20. Major

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    One of the core problems with our health insurance system is that, for the uninsured, we pay huge amounts because they don't get the little things taken care of. Those things become big things which then require much more expensive emergency solutions.

    Preventative care has been shown over and over to be much cheaper than emergency care. Your solution would discourage people from getting the preventative care as well as to not deal with smaller things, letting them morph into much bigger problems.
     

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