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There is a rapidly growing animosity in our military forces toward the U.S. media.

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  1. basso

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    http://fallbackbelmont.blogspot.com/2006/05/mccaffrey-trip-report.html

    Barry McCaffrey's 2006 report on the situation in Iraq. much more at the link above, including the statement from which this thread takes its title.

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    The Iraqi political system is fragile but beginning to play a serious role in the debate over the big challenges facing the Iraqi state - oil, religion, territory, power, separatism, and revenge. The neighboring states have refrained from tipping Iraq into open civil war. The UN is cautiously thinking about re-entry and doing their job of helping consolidate peace. The Iraqis are going to hold Saddam and his senior leadership accountable for their murderous behavior over 35 years. The brave Brits continue to support us both politically and militarily. NATO is a possible modest support to our efforts.

    There is no reason why the U.S. cannot achieve our objectives in Iraq. Our aim must be to create a viable federal state under the rule of law which does not: enslave its own people, threaten its neighbors, or produce weapons of mass destruction. This is a ten year task. We should be able to draw down most of our combat forces in 3-5 years. We have few alternatives to the current US strategy which is painfully but gradually succeeding. This is now a race against time. Do we have the political will, do we have the military power, will we spend the resources required to achieve our aims?

    It was very encouraging for me to see the progress achieved in the past year. Thanks to the leadership and personal sacrifice of the hundreds of thousands of men and women of the CENTCOM team and the CIA – the American people are far safer today than we were in the 18 months following the initial intervention.
     
    #1 basso, May 3, 2006
  2. Saint Louis

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    Sig Heil my Furhrer! We will have Iraq under our firm grasps in no time. We can begin to try this same strategy in Iran immediatley.
     
    #2 Saint Louis, May 3, 2006
  3. glynch

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    Here I thought it was white guilt undermining the troops.
     
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  4. Saint Louis

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    basso and bigtexxx need to coordinate better.
     
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  5. pgabriel

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    no kidding, maybe bush should just establish marshall law over the media.
     
    #5 pgabriel, May 3, 2006
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    yeah its everything/one else's fault except for the decider..
     
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  7. HayesStreet

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    Wow, those are some well reasoned and thoughtful responses.
     
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    what, are you the hall monitor?
     
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  9. pgabriel

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    kind of like the thread title.
     
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  10. SamFisher

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  11. basso

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    Did you read the linked article? seems unlikely.
     
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  12. SamFisher

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    I did. It seems like the culprit is inadequate communication skills by the Decider and his mini-deciders.

    Tony Snow is on the case.
     
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  13. pgabriel

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    I read most of it and the argument is inherently flawed. it says the media can't fully get around because of the danger to report how its improving. is it improving or is it too dangerous?
     
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  14. Major

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    This coming from someone who made 4 posts in the NSA Chief thread, none of which discussed the article posted.
     
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  15. Major

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    So the full quote from your article:

    There is a rapidly growing animosity in our deployed military forces toward the U.S. media. We need to bridge this gap. Armies do not fight wars - countries fight wars. We need to continue talking to the American people through the press. They will be objective in reporting facts if we facilitate their information gathering mission.

    Sounds like he's saying the military is the problem, not the media.
     
    #15 Major, May 3, 2006
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    I just wasted my time reading the whole damn thing. I found no mention of antipathy towards media or press anywhere in the blog. I then did a search of the for those words and the only references in the blog that I could find can be summarized as saying the press has a really hard job in Iraq, it's so dangerous that the best reporters aren't there, and commanders are only talking to specific members of the press.

    I therefore have to ask you if you read the article you linked.
     
    #16 Ottomaton, May 3, 2006
  17. HayesStreet

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    :confused: Actually I specifically discussed Odom in the last post, and the prior posts were responding to other posts in the thread. That's hardly the same thing as a response that says 'Sig Heil my Furhrer!'
     
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    big gigantic sigh...


    by opening with that salvo he was calling basso out on creating a facist agenda where there was none.
     
    #18 thegary, May 3, 2006
  19. basso

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    then you didn't really read it, or you need to try firefox, beacuse the thread title is a verbatim quote.
     
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  20. pgabriel

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    if johnnie cochran wrote the new theme for neocons and iraq it would be

    "if people aren't dying everyday, it must be okay"
     
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