There Goes the Whole Chuy's is Liberal Theory

Can't this story die already?

I mean, how slow a news day must it be that ABC News decided to have someone look into FEC records for campaign contributions from a resturaunt owner in Austin?

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It's a common ploy to try to paint people such as the Chuy's folks in this case as having a political motive. When one doesn't have the ability to attack the charges, attacking the "messenger" or the source of the trouble is the next best thing.

I don't think there's been a President in my lifetime who didn't use this ploy (I know Nixon used it. His White House was constantly questioning the Post's political motives during Watergate. I recall Clinton using it a few times, as well. I don't recall Ford, Carter, Bush I or Reagan using the ploy specifically, but I'm sure they did). I'm sure this ploy goes back far further than that, as well (I seem to remember reading about FDR using such tactics. And the practice of branding one's opponents as Communists is not far removed from this particular ploy).

Of course, this ABC story doesn't answer the question as to whether the manager who called police and the press is a liberal or not. (Though I don't think it matters). It merely says the President of the company is a Republican and has given to Republicans. My father is a staunch Republican, but that doesn't mean that the people who work in his billing office or the nurses at his clinic are all Republicans. Certainly the unnamed senior administration official who intimated that Chuy's was owned and operated by liberals is incorrect, regardless.

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Of course, none of the people profiled in the story made the 911 call.

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ok, I'm a Democrat, but calling 911 and the news makes no sense. I'm also a waiter, and I would have just said I can't serve you and have a nice dinner. Of course, I wouldn't have really recognized the daughters, and if they had fake ID's that could fool me, more power to them.

Chuy's is a cool restaurant, but I'm thinking of boycotting them.

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I always thought the pertinent numbers were 1-9

hahahaha.

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I think calling the cops on a poor kid wanting a margarita's pretty lame in any event.

Of course, I ordered my first legal drink a few days ago and the bastards gave me hell about it since the DATE evidently escaped them, so maybe I'm just in a sympathetic mood.

But seriously... how easy would it have been for them to just tack the ID up on a cork board like they do everywhere else so that everyone else can snicker ?

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Since it won't die, I'll add my 4¢:

How stupid did she think the people at Chuys were?

Maybe the manager called the police just out of spite.

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Clutch,

I have already been down this road about 911 and the same people keep ignoring that point.

Mango

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BTW, I've attempted to call the APD before and been told to call 911, even though it wasn't an emergency. Pretty clumsy set-up if you ask me.

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Mango, "same people keep ignoring the point"???

Reread that thread. Noone's ignoring the point. You guys are just ignoring the rationalizations that other posters such as BK put out concerning said point.

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Oh yeah, and Pued.

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Achebe,

Sure I remember that thread:

http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum7/HTML/004011-3.html

Here is a quote from an Austin official in that thread:

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"They were very cooperative," Assistant Police Chief Jimmy Chapman said..........
Bartenders and managers typically deal with fake identifications by confiscating them or refusing service, not by calling 911, Chapman said.



Here you go for another writeup and another quote from an Austin official in regards to the use of 911 in this situation:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metropolitan/williams/929367


June 4, 2001, 3:14PM

The 411 on Chuy's decision to call 911
By JOHN WILLIAMS
Copyright 2001 Houston Chronicle

The first call from Chuy's restaurant at 10:45 p.m. Tuesday went to the 911 dispatcher in Austin.

The emergency? Two underage women wanted alcoholic beverages. One had an I.D. of another person old enough to drink.


It may be the first time a restaurant has considered underage drinking worthy of an emergency call in the home of the state's biggest university, said Becky Stewart, emergency services director for the Capital Area Planning Council. CAPCO manages Austin's regional 911 system.


But the two in question had familiar names. They were Jenna and Barbara Bush, the president's 19-year-old twin daughters.

Perhaps the call is understandable. No big-dollar restaurant wants to risk its liquor license by serving alcohol to someone under 21.

Tip for newsmen questionable
The second call from Chuy's management, however, is harder to defend.

Chuy's tipped the Austin American-Statesman to the scoop about the president's partying scofflaws. Amid deadline pressure and ethical questions, the newspaper didn't print a report until Thursday.

By then, the Bush family affair, rightly or wrongly, was everybody's business. It went international. Chuy's was mentioned in newspapers worldwide.

"That can't be bad for business," mused an Austin political consultant and frequent Chuy's diner.

The success story of the restaurant chain may shed a little more light.

Chuy's was started by Michael Young and John Zapp in a city that loves its Mexican food. Young has been the main mover and shaker, helping expand the restaurant chain to Houston, Dallas, Arlington and San Antonio, and starting other profitable businesses.

Described by one friend as having a Willie Nelson grin, Young is a laid-back Austin denizen and minor Democratic player in Travis County politics.

Young has strong opinions and occasionally attends party fund-raisers, though acquaintances said he has not taken front-line positions on any major issues.

He has an amazing ability to get attention for his restaurant.

When Kenneth Starr was investigating the Bill Clinton-Monica Lewinsky affair, Chuy's sold more than 1,000 T-shirts with a cartoon of Clinton shaking his finger and saying, "I did not have Tex-Mex with that woman."


Young also appeared for free in a Southwest Airlines commercial with the airline's legendary boss, Herb Kelleher. Young got the gig, which garnered free publicity for his restaurants, through adman Roy Spence, a friend and business partner who runs in Democratic circles.

Last year, Spence and Young joined others to create Glazing Saddles Ltd., which owns the Krispy Kreme doughnut shops in Austin and San Antonio.

"I like Michael because he has built a culture where his people do the right thing, they are a big family," Spence said. "His people serve the customers right, they prepare the food right, they take care of business right."


Twins' actions hard to explain
Was it right to dial 911? Many eateries might have refused to serve the Bush daughters and left it at that.

The twins' behavior is likewise hard to defend or explain. The incident came two weeks after Jenna Bush made national headlines when she pleaded no contest to an earlier underage drinking charge. Did they believe no one in Austin would recognize them, or notice the Secret Service agents nearby?

The White House has described the incidents as private family matters. If the twins' mother, first lady Laura Bush, and grandmother, former first lady Barbara Bush, decide to apply a dose of old-fashioned tough love, it couldn't be any more painful than Thursday's front-page headline in the New York Post: "Jenna and Tonic. Bush daughter in new booze incident as twin sister watched."

For Chuy's, it's a different matter. Perhaps the restaurant management, with its Democratic ties, is privately reveling in the Republican first family's public embarrassment.

The restaurant did not return calls about its decision to publicize the incident.

But Thursday afternoon, the restaurant released a statement -- or more precisely, an understatement: "We sincerely regret any inconvenience this has caused the first family."


You invoked Brian's experience with 911 as a catchall for all police calls because it fits your need in this discussion. Two Austin area officials both noted that calling the police and/or 911 is not standard for a minor trying to buy liquor.

I will quote a Democrat in this thread:


gr8-1 wrote:


ok, I'm a Democrat, but calling 911 and the news makes no sense. I'm also a waiter, and I would have just said I can't serve you and have a nice dinner. Of course, I wouldn't have really recognized the daughters, and if they had fake ID's that could fool me, more power to them.....

I don't remember Haven's political leaning, but I will quote him also:


I think calling the cops on a poor kid wanting a margarita's pretty lame in any event.........But seriously... how easy would it have been for them to just tack the ID up on a cork board like they do everywhere else so that everyone else can snicker ?


So lets review this matter:

1. Yes, the girls were wrong.

2. Calling the police and/or 911 is not the way this matter is usually resolved as noted by two Austin officials and gr8-1 who works in the food and beverage industry.


Mango

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Screw the 911 call.

This is the call I would be incensed about. The call to the police could be understood, the call to the newspaper was wrong. It casts dispersions upon the motives for calling 9-1-1.

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But they did not just call the police - They called 911. Give me an fargin break! They should be ticketed for misusing the service.

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Bottom line, do you guys think this will be good or bad for Chuy's business ? It's obvious they wanted media attention, but I hope it comes back and bites them in the rear.

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'fits my needs'??? Why don't you quote me too? What are your needs?

I wrote in that thread that I wouldn't have called 911 either.

But I also recognized after people w/ more experience in matters of calling 911, namely BK and in this thread Puedlfor, had been explicity told to call 911 in random non-emergency scenarios that I was complaining out of my ***. I suppose the same people keep ignoring that point.

I suppose the same people also keep ignoring the point that I could care less as to what this little girl does. She's 19 years old. Is she going to drink? Of course. Is she going to smoke pot? Of course.

You protecting her by casting aspersions on some rest. mgr protecting his or her liquor license is as ridiculous as some political pundit using Jenna to harm Dubya.

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