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There are some very interesting players possibly dropping into the second round ...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Sherlock, Jun 23, 2000.

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  1. Sherlock

    Sherlock Member

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    I am intrigued by some picks who might end up dropping to the second round, especially due to certain players, like Jamaal Crawford, Mamadou N'diaye (unfortunately), Jamaal Magloire, and Mark Madsen going much higher, and some international players getting drafted in the first round, such as Marko Jaric and Dalibor Bagaric.

    Even though Kapono and Sasser went back into school, there are some really good players who might drop into the second round, such as Ernest Brown, Hanno Mottola, Soumaila Samake, JaRon Rush, Scoonie Penn, Corey Hightower, and Chris Porter. In addition, there will still be some other good candidates in the second round, such as Pete Mickeal, Eduardo Najera, Schea Cotton, Khalid El-Amin, Craig "Speedy" Claxton, Jabari Smith, Harold Arceneaux, Michael Redd and Bootsy Thornton.

    We've got the #9 pick in the second round. Who do you think we can get?

    Let's say it goes like this:
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    [*] LAC - Corey Hightower: SG
    [*] Dallas - Soumaila Samake: C
    [*] Chicago - Craig "Speedy" Claxton: PG
    [*] Chicago - Ernest Brown: C
    [*] Chicago - Jaron Rush: SG
    [*] Washington - Chris Porter: SF
    [*] New Jersey - Michael Redd: SG
    [*] Dallas via Denver - Eduardo Najera: PF[/list=a]

    One of those guys that was going to go in the first round will possibly fall to us. We could possibly get Hanno Mottola (SF), Scoonie Penn (PG), or Jabari Smith (C). It's even possible that Brown (C) or Porter (SF) could fall to us.

    I really like our second round pick in this draft. He may not be a Mobely, but we could end up with a good player.

    ... Now its really not fair that Chicago could end up with Speedy Claxton, Ernest Brown, and Jaron Rush with their 2nd round picks.


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  2. 4chuckie

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    I like Scoonie Penn although we don't have a need at PG. Scoonie is a winner, who thrives in big games. I would take him in a heartbeat, I like Moochie but Scoonie would be a etter player as a backup PG.

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  3. NIKEstrad

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    No Mickeal? [​IMG]

    Brown is the best center in this draft behind Mihm, Billa, and Tsakalidis. A team like Portland would take a chance on Samake.

    Claxton seems to have locked into the first round. If he's available Chicago should pick him up at 24.

    Dalibor Bagaric sounds very good to me. 7'1'', blocks shots, rebounds, and has 3 point range. Young Sabonis?

    Antonis Fotsis went back, I was hoping to get a chance at him. 6'10'' SG/SF, sweet shot, PG handles, fast, 19 years old. First round pick next year.

    If Hightower dropped to us, that'd be amazing.

    Another name I'll throw out there-Dan McClintock.



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  4. wong

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    They'd have to go for Bootsy or Speedy, maybe Scoonie. Then, with Moochie and Cuttino the Rockets would be the undisputed cool names team.

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  5. Ottomaton

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    My second round sleeper pick for the Rockets, assuming he is still on the board (which he should be):

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    Why? He fits the personality mold of late first, early second round guys whom the Rockets have drafted recently. Guys like Kenny Thomas and Othela Harrington who were 'all that' out of high school but by draft time considered sleepers. The Rockets have also had him in for workouts. Unless something just falls into their lap, I'm betting that they take him.

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  6. Not Chaney

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    No Scoonie Penn. He will be posted up constantly.
    His shot needs improvement.
    99-00 Ohio State season (30 games)
    (Fg % .386), (3pt % .313),
    78 turnovers in 30 games.


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  7. Swift Turnaround

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    I say we take Mihm-crusher Jamal Magliore........I think he''s good enough to be in the top between pick 14 and 20 (first round)
    So if he's available, he's a steel and we need PFs....
    OR if he's not aailable, Chris Porter, OR if he's not available, Jabbari Smith who's doing great in workouts......
     
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  8. oeilpere

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    Couple of things:


    * Mark my words Courtney is gone in the first, will not make to #30.
    * Dallas will kill for OO in the first round, so will not want Sam So in the second.
    * Chicago will trade for a PG and lose one of their first rounders or they will draft a PG(Barkley?, Mateen Cleaves?, Crawford?) in the first. They will get a center or trade back to get OO, Samake, E Brown, or N'diaye in the late first. There is no way that all of Mihm, Pryz, OO and Sam So will evade their #4, #7 or #24 picks. Will not happen.
    * Ernest Brown may be gone late first round. He is being somewhat inpressive in his tryouts and showings.
    * I liked Kapono and he would have made a good secongd pick for a lot of teams. A Moiso/Kapono tandem up front would have been interesting.
    * You are right about the Latin. Najera would be a great pick for Dallas or Houston. Also, Motolla will likely be gone to the Utah hills, but may slip to the "thirties" and would be great little pick-up in here somewhere.
    * Chris Porter is my hope for Houston at #38. But realistically, unless he commits murder and paints himself in blood and runs through the draft hall singing "Tip Toe Through The Tulips" in a falsetto voice while spitting in the faces of each of the board of Governors, he will get picked in the First round. And, "surprise" everyone except the well-infornmed Clutchcity crew here. Folks, Chris Porter is a dynamite find and a perfect fit for this Rocket team. A steal if he gets to #38.

    See Ya Draft Day.

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  9. Rocket Guard

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    It all depends.If we pick Dj with th 9nth pick will probably pick a PF or center who can rebound in the second,but if our first choise is moiso bet on someone like porter or an other SF to be picked to back-up walt or even replace him.

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  10. Sherlock

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    oeilpere, thanks for the excellent feedback.

    I assume you mean Corey Hightower, since the only Courtney I know is Courtney Alexander, projected to go in the lottery.

    You are far more educated in this than I, but OO is a power forward, and Samake is a center, so I thought they might want him here. I assume they'd want a center here, and would pick the best of Samake, Brown or Smith. Who else do you think they would want, Scoonie Penn?

    I agree. I seriously doubt they'll pass on Mihm at #4, unless they take Prysbilla and make the Portland trade for Oneal. They could do that at #7, too. But Brown would be a killer steal for them in the second round, even if they had Mihm and Oneal. Of course, if none of that worked out, such as them taking Miles and Alexander, they would probably take Brown at #24.

    Who do you see taking him, besides possibly Chicago at #24, according to the possible scenario I mentioned earlier. I heard that Seattle liked him, and it would make sense that Chicago, Indian and Portland might have interest.

    I agree, but I never saw him getting past LA or Chicago's second round picks.

    It was my understanding that the Dallas/Denver trade was all about Dallas being sure they picked ahead of us to get Najera.

    I agree, that's who I'm dying to get, but I've heard that Washington has their eyes on him at #36. If I was Houston, I'd make some kind of trade with Chicago to get one of their 2nd round picks to take him, if he's still there. What about Drew for 2 of their 2nd round picks, and take Porter and Brown or Najera. I'd feel we did well with that trade. I'd like it even better if they traded us their #24 and #32, so we could guarantee getting those 2 guys, and then take Mattola, Smith, or Mickeal with our #38.

    That would give us:

    Dream/Cato/Brown
    trade/KT/Rogers/TMass
    Johnson/Porter/Mattola/Bullard
    Anderson/Mobely
    Francis/Norris

    Johnson (SF), Brown (C), Porter (SF), and Mattola or Smith. A very good draft.

    Assuming we trade Williams and Drew and our exception and possibly Cato, we should be able to get another good frontcourt player, such as Croshere, Kandi, J.Williams, etc.

    It should be an interesting next couple months.

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  11. NIKEstrad

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    Sherlock-That'd be a super trade (Drew for 2 2nd rounders) If we landed Brown with one of them......man.

    I'm not as enthralled with Porter as some are, and Sherlock another problem-3 rookies and Bullard at SF.

    Mickeal is one of my top choices for #38, another guy to think about is Dalibor Bagaric, 7'1'' 215 lb. (dang, that's a string bean, but I wouldn't rule out it being on the lighter side...like Tsakalidis being 220, anyways, he's a sweet shooting C with 3 point range, and shot blocking ability.)

    Please no Najera at #38!

    Last note-To get a top flight PF, KT is likely gone.

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  12. Mango

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    Or Drew for a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year in a deeper draft.

    Mango

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  13. NIKEstrad

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    Mango has been sold on next year's depth [​IMG]

    Trade Drew for whatever you can!

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  14. Sherlock

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    Guys, I haven't investigated next year's depth outside of the first round.

    This year's draft is deep in good role players, many second rounders who will play in the NBA, but is very light on stars, with only Martin, Swift, Miles, and maybe Fizer.

    I know next year has got a lot of stars running pretty deep into the first round, and I can't wait for Houston to get one of those, and would prefer we trade for picks next year, but is it deep with good players into the second round like this year's draft is?

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  15. Mango

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    NIKEstrad,

    It is more than depth.

    Vancouver is owed a 1st round pick sometime. Have an extra second to offset it. If the next draft is that deep, payoff Vancouver with the worst 1st pick that the Francis trade agreement allows and the Rockets can obtain. Have options open with this extra second round pick.

    2nd rounders have cheaper paychecks and if next summer is going to be FA time, a bit of extra cap space wouldn't hurt.

    Drew is redundant with Francis around. Drew probably would have been a passable NBA player if Dream and CB4 hadn't declined this past season and Francis was elsewhere.
    So the pick spent on Drew becomes part of the cost of trading for Francis. With Mooch aboard and eating up Drew's PT, best that Rudy and CD cut their losses now on Drew.
    Without playing time to develop and showcase Drew, his value can only go down.

    Mango

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  16. NIKEstrad

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    hard to tell, usually some people step up. I'd say it's fairly deep, not as deep as this years 2nd round wise

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  17. NIKEstrad

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    I have very little doubt that Drew will be traded.

    Chicago would be a fine oppurtunity for him, as they have Brand.

    I would consider Drew better than Maloney.

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    Draft Moiso. Trade Moises.

    Trade or bench Kenny Thomas.
     
    #17 NIKEstrad, Jun 25, 2000
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