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The UT offense and talent development

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Major, Oct 25, 2002.

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  1. Major

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    From the Houston Chronicle Today, here are our offensive ranks in the Mack Brown Era:

    Total Offense / Rushing / Passing / Scoring

    1998: 11 / 21 / 19 / 11
    1999: 29 / 73 / 17 / 13
    2000: 14 / 60 / 14 / 8
    2001: 38 / 51 / 34 / 6
    <B>2002: 84 / 71/ 59 / 29</B>

    This is out of 117 teams, I believe. How miserable for this year. I'm starting to wonder about this coaching staff's ability to develop talent. For all the amazing talent we've brought in the last 4 years, how many players have performed to potential? Vasher's the only one I can think of.

    Look at our best players in performance by position during the Brown era:

    QB: Applewhite
    RB: Ricky (duh), Hodges Mitchell
    WR: Kwame Cavil, Wany McGarity
    TE: ?
    OL: Leonard Davis, Mike Williams
    DL: Casey Hampton, Shaun Rogers
    LB: no one?
    DB: Quentin Jammer

    Looking at the list, I believe every one of those guys was recruited and started developing during the Mackovic era. You might be able to add some of our current receivers, but they just don't perform at that peak level. They each have one good game every couple of weeks. Benson was great last year then regressed. Redding has been mediocre up until last week. The OL and DL in general haven't been nearly as good as 2000. DJ hasn't really progressed this year. Vasher's the one guy that really looks like he's improving.

    I'm starting to wonder if Brown can get great players but has trouble making them any better.
     
  2. Smokey

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    I'm afraid we've got John Cooper and RC Slocum on our hands. He isn't leaving anytime soon and we may not win anything either.

    I'm just happy Stoops keeps raising the bar.
     
  3. Rocketman95

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    I'd had DJ and D.D. Lewis to the LB. I'd also point out that Ricky only played one year under Mack.

    Something needs to be done, regardless of how we do the rest of the year.
     
  4. gr8-1

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    I would say that our players were overrated, but all of them? Go up and down that roster and ignore the fact that Mack offered them a ship, so did Stoops and alot of other big name schools. At one point I believed Mack wasn't a very good talent evaluator, not true. If our guys couldn't play, Stoops wouldn't have been after them.

    All is not lost yet, but I quiver at the thought of DJ or a Garnet Smith at OU. Crazy. Wait till Stoops begins to win some recrutiing battles. That's not to say OU isn't talented right now.
     
  5. Major

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    Paging the guy who shut down firegregdavis.com. Please reopen it, he is your answer why we underperform offensively.

    The only reason we didnt suffer with major is he would change the play call all the time at the line of scrimmage.

    Davis, go back to Tulane where you belong.
     
  7. TheFreak

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    Which is something quarterbacks are supposed to be able to do. Besides, he didn't even play last year and the results were still much better than this year.

    Major, I emailed you.
     
  8. haven

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    Greg Davis is the problem, firing him is the solution. :)

    Sorry, it seems simple to me. The offense is ridiculously predictable and the team routinely fails to utilize its' strengths.
     
  9. gr8-1

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    I used to think Spurrier's run and gun was effective because he threw bombs all the time. Not true. He found a way to make 15-35 yard passes high percentage and effective plays. Incredible, really.

    UT's offense is about 5-10 yard passes, predictable runs, and two to three bombs a game. Throws from 15-35 yards are non-existent.
     
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    Redding has been many things, mediocre is not one of them.

    And it is Greg Davis.
     
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    I'm with haven on this issue...get rid of him and hire a new offensive coordinator. Major Applewhite is my first choice though that me be a little overzealous.
     
  12. Baqui99

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    Badass offensive coordinators:

    Bosie St. OC
    Oregon OC - Ludwig
    former UKentucky HC - Hal Mumme
    Marshall HC or OC
     
  13. gr8-1

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    Didn't Mumme get UK in trouble? I think we're basically dreamcasting here, but why not Herbstreit as QB coach? He sounds like a sharp guy.

    Still dreamcasting, but what about Spurrier as head coach? Scary........
     
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    gr8-1-

    As an objective observent of UT, I must say that it seems like 90-95% of the freshmen who play for UT, arrive on campus as good, maybe better than advertised. I can't think of one major bust that Mack has recruited since his first high-profile class of 99.

    I think the problem lies with what Major said, these players/team just doesn't improve over time. How much has Roy W improved since his fr. year? IMO, he's not much better, maybe even worse than his fr. year. Obivously, the same can be said for Simms.
     
  15. gr8-1

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    I respect your opinion. Like I said, these guys obviously have talent, or Stoops and the others wouldn't be after them. Mack recruits well, but not all of them are 4 or 5 star recruits, I think that's a misconception. There are a handful of impressive freshman this year though. I think Mack is gonna put quite a few guys in the pros.

    If I were to build a perfect coaching staff, Mack would be my recruiting coordinator, Stoops could be my DC and Spurrier can be my OC.

    Simms was not better his freshman year.
     
  16. DVauthrin

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    Hmm, let's see, 2 of our big 3 receivers playing hurt, predictable offense, a qb who doesn't specialize in improvising and a decent(not great) O line=this years problem.

    What factor in here is the most prevalent and easy to fix: the predictable offense

    Who is in charge of the offense: Greg Davis

    Who should be fired/demoted: Greg Davis

    Thank you for playing who is responsible for the Texas Longhorns poor offensive showing.
     

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