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The U.N. & the terroristic endeavors from Saddam...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ROXRAN, Jul 11, 2006.

  1. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

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    There is no doubt, the world is better off when you have 2 less nations in the world which are openly friendly towards terroristic endeavors...The War on Terror's strategy by the neo-cons deserves all the praise for that...

    Thankfully we have not seen another 9/11...Thankfully the large scale global attacks have been diminished, and I can't help but think and realize this is because Al-Qaida has had it's base and area of homestead hampered...They have had greater intelligence working against them in the way of electronic means and various ways...

    Their leadership is in bad straits...This is all due to the change of strategy that was necessary after 9/11...If Bush has done something right, it was the DHS, the increased attention to detail for interior security, and the strategy of putting pressure abroad as it relates to terroristic endeavors by nations or cells...

    Now I realize there are posters here who homestead abroad who don't care for the United States...Fine, I can think of other countries that I think either suck, stink or a combination of the two, eh....I realize there are the leftwing pussyfooters for crying ot loud against America club that slap each other's back and think they are doing something worthwhile...

    The point is the U.N. is a diminished entity that I'm not entirely sure deserves the role it once had...The following is an example of a recent post which relates to the U.N. and the ties to terroristic endeavors...

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51005


    THE NEW WORLD DISORDER
    'United Nations killed my son'
    Terror victims' families blame global body for kickbacks that funded suicide attacks

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    Posted: July 11, 2006
    1:00 a.m. Eastern


    By Aaron Klein
    © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


    JERUSALEM – The United Nations bears responsibility for the murder of Israeli civilians killed in the past few years by Palestinian suicide bombers, families of terror victims here said.

    "The U.N. is partly responsible for the death of my son," said Miri Avitan, whose son Assaf was killed in Jerusalem by a Palestinian suicide bomber in December 2001.

    "Money that was meant for the Iraqi [people] got to Saddam and he wrote a check to reward the murderers of my kid," Avitan said.


    Avitan was one of several family members of Israeli terror victims to blame the U.N. for revenues from its oil-for-food program kicked back to deposed Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and funneled by Hussein to Palestinian terror organizations.

    The family members made their statements in a recently released book, "The U.N. Exposed: How the United Nations Sabotages America's Security and Fails the World" by the Fox News Channel's Eric Shawn.

    Shawn documents how some of the $10 billion obtained illegally by Hussein as part of the oil-for-food program between 1997 and 2002 was used to fund families of Palestinians suicide bombers.

    Israel has said the aid received from Hussein provided major financial motivation to underprivileged teenagers who could help their cash-strapped families with the large payments that would be issued upon completion of a suicide mission.

    The U.N. Security Council launched the oil-for-food program in 1996 so Iraq could raise funds for food, medicine and other humanitarian goods in spite of sanctions against the Hussein regime.

    Iraq sold more than $67 billion worth of oil before the program was ended by the U.S. invasion in 2003.

    According to the rules outlined by the Security Council, Iraq was allowed to choose its own suppliers and oil traders. Under the program, the Security Council established a separate committee made up of member states, the so-called "661 Committee," to approve all contracts issued by the Iraqi government.

    The General Accounting Office, the auditing arm of the U.S. Congress, reported Hussein illegally diverted and sold goods intended for the Iraqi population.

    Shawn writes the House International Relations Committee revealed the Hussein regime deposited the diverted funds from oil-for-food kickbacks in the Rafidain bank and other financial institutions in Amman, Jordan. The money was then transferred to another account controlled by the Iraqi ambassador to Jordan, Sabeh Yaseen.

    Investigators say Yaseen and other Iraqi officials then cut checks from the accounts to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers to honor and encourage the murder of Israeli civilians.

    Over a two-and-a-half year period, from September 2000 to just before the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq began in March 2003, Hussein officials held public ceremonies in which they shelled out $35 million for the families of Palestinian "martyrs."

    According to documents captured in 2002 by Israel's Operation Defensive Shield, Hussein set up an "Arab Liberation Front" – a Ba'ath party department in the Palestinian areas used to encourage terrorism and issue checks, usually through the Palestine Investment Bank, to the families of suicide bombers.

    The payments were $15,000 at the start of the intifada, and were later raised to $25,000.

    Hussein would also issue checks of $10,000 to the families of "ordinary" Palestinians killed in the intifada by other means, such as "through the aggression of the Zionist army."

    Along with the checks came the martyrdom certificates, signed by Hussein, that read: "A gift from President Saddam Hussein to the family of a martyr in the al-Aqsa intifada. To those who irrigate the land with their blood. You deserve the honor you will receive from Allah and you will defeat all who bow before your will."

    A $25,000 check and martyrdom certificate, for example, was transferred June 23, 2002, to Khaldiya Isma'il Abd Al-Aziz Al-Hurani, mother of the Hamas terrorist Fuad Isma'il Ahmad Al-Hurani, who carried out a suicide attack on March 19 of that year in Jerusalem's Moment Cafe. Eleven Israelis were killed and 16 wounded in the attack.

    Checks for $15,000 each were given along with the martyrdom certificates to the families of Hamas suicide terrorists who blew themselves up in Zion Square in Jerusalem Dec. 1, 2001.

    Among the victims of the Zion Square suicide attack was 15-year old Assaf Avitan.

    Avitan had joined his friends to celebrate the 16th birthday of twins from his Jerusalem neighborhood. He was accompanied by his friend, 15-year-old Golan Turgeman, and was standing on a sidewalk near Zion Square when two Palestinian suicide bombers blew themselves up, killing both teenagers and nine others. A car bomb exploded 20 minutes later, intending to kill and maim the police and paramedics who responded to the carnage.

    "[The checks from Hussein enabled by the U.N.] helped enforce the culture of terrorism," Avitan's mother Miri said in "The U.N. Exposed." "It makes me furious."

    Writes Shawn, "The U.N. Security Council paid for the bombings. It contributed to the murders of Assaf and Golan and the nine other victims that night. The Security Council also provided the ability to massacre hundreds more who have fallen victim to Palestinian terrorism."
     
  2. insane man

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    is the world better off now that countries know that if they have nukes they can get away with stuff like north korea? but if they dont have nukes they get invaded like iraq?

    this myopic 'the world is better off' nonsense is inane.
     
  3. ROXRAN

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    We are talking about countries that are open to terroristic endeavors...Unfortunately, the area in question is largely based in the middle-eastern region...

    Perhaps the U.N. should realize there existance would be most effective in dealing with rogue states such as North Korea, and dealing with that kind of situation...In addition, there aren't alot of countries that are open to terroristic endeavors which have nukes, are there?...eh.
     
  4. wnes

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    Why limit to countries in the middle-eastern region? The U.S. provides safe heaven to anti-cuba terrorists in south Florida and why should it be exempted?
     
  5. SamFisher

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    I don't understand why people like ROXRAN harbor such a fantastical perception of the UN - though I guess that is where the "black helicopter" type freakishness comes from.

    UN bashing is fun but it's always been a very limited body of limited effect.

    All the oil-for-food silliness - what does this prove? All that proves is that where there's money and a lack of oversight, there's the potential for corruption. (..and let's not forget who was writing the checks for the oil taht paid for the suicide bombers, HINT: it wasn't the UN, it was certain subisidiaries of a large multinational, headed up by a certain Vice President.... of course this is based on the idiotic unspoken canard by the writer that the Oil-for-Food program somehow directly funded these activities or that htey would not have occured without it, which there is no evidence of, whatsoever.)

    All I have to do is look at the Abramoff house scandal for that, or the billions of dollars in Iraq reconstruction money that is wasted. But for whatever reason these scandals don't seem to raise the ire in the same way.

    Why this has become such a bogeyman for the conservative mouth frothers like ROXRAN and the paranoid basement blatherers at WorldNetDaily I don't understand, especially given the vulnerability of their godfather on the issue as an aider & abettor.
     
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    I'm not sure about the scope and background of these "anti-cuba terrorists"...By anti-cuba, are you referring to them being against Castro?...

    Castro is not santy clause as you may know....

    btw, I have an uncle by marriage who lives in Miami, and I understand Castro is really hated by those who have suffered because of him...
     
  7. SamFisher

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    ...which makes it ok for them to blow up civilian airliners?

    ROXRAN, Hamas just called, they like your reasoning and think a guy like you could go far as a spokesman.
     
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    Why did the hatred towards Castro have to tranform into terrorist acts against innocent civilians, such as bombing hotels and commerical airline?

    There are Americans in this country who are extremely resentful of GWB, do you support them shooting him with bushmasters?
     
  9. ROXRAN

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    First off, I don't agree with what this guy did...and second 1976 was a long time ago...To attach sole asylum in connection to Bush makes about as much sense as Sam's crazy wack-attack posts...none!

    This guy had the right mindset at one time, but if he admitted to the civilian airline bombing then he was a terrorist, let's prosecute him like 30 years ago to the fullest extent of the law...
     
  10. SamFisher

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    The mastermind of the flight 455 bombing was Orlando Bosch.

    However, he can't be prosecuted. He was given a presidential pardon in 1990 by George H.W. Bush.

    Now take your game back to Gaza city where it belongs hoss.
     
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    I know it is taking forever, but the folks in South Florida are just going to have to wait for that old b*stard to die.
     
  12. ROXRAN

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    They will have a big celebration, no doubt...as they should. Cuba would be a nice place to visit.
     
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    Bill Clinton - 396
    Ronald Reagan - 393
    Jimmy Carter - 534
    Gerald Ford - 382
    Richard Nixon - 863
    Lyndon Johnson - 960
    John Kennedy - 472
    Dwight Eisenhower - 1110
    The grand-daddy of all modern pardon-granters was Harry Truman - 1913

    In many instances, pardons go for political reasoning on both sides sans the costs and sans what is right...Nothing new...

    What is new is how the U.N. is furthering itself as a problematic entity moreso than before...The U.N. should be examined in the here and now since it is an international tool that should be able to help in the war on terrorism...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations

    Reforming the UN
    In recent years there have been many calls for reform of the United Nations. But there is little clarity, let alone consensus, about how to reform it. Some want the UN to play a greater or more effective role in world affairs, others want its role reduced to humanitarian work. In 2004 and 2005, allegations of mismanagement and corruption regarding the Oil-for-Food Programme for Iraq under Saddam Hussein led to renewed calls for reform.

    Other serious security failures include:

    Failure to prevent the 1994 Rwandan genocide, which resulted in the killings of nearly a million people, due to the refusal of the security council members to approve any necessary military action [28].
    Failure by MONUC (UNSC Resolution 1291) to effectively intervene during the Second Congo War, which claimed nearly five million people in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC), 1998-2002 (with fighting reportedly continuing), and in carrying out and distributing humanitarian aid.
    Failure to intervene in the 1995 Srebrenica massacre, despite the fact that the UN designated Srebrenica a "safe haven" for refugees and assigned 600 Dutch peacekeepers to protect it.
    Failure to successfully deliver food to starving people in Somalia; the food was instead usually seized by local warlords. A U.S./UN attempt to apprehend the warlords seizing these shipments resulted in the 1993 Battle of Mogadishu.
    Sexual abuse by UN peacekeepers. Numerous peacekeepers from several nations have been repatriated from UN peacekeeping operations for sexually abusing and exploiting girls as young as 12 in a number of different peacekeeping missions. This abuse has become widespread and ongoing despite many revelations and probes by the UN Office of Internal Oversight Services. [29][30] A 2005 internal UN investigation found that sexual exploitation and abuse has been reported in at least five countries where UN peacekeepers have been deployed, including the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Haiti, Burundi, Cote d'Ivoire, and Liberia; UN peacekeepers were at that time deployed in 16 countries. [31]
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    Criticism and controversies
    See also: China and the United Nations, Israel and the United Nations, Soviet Union and the United Nations, and United States and the United Nations
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    Commission membership
    Inclusion on the United Nations Commission on Human Rights of nations, such as Sudan and Libya, whose current leaderships have demonstrably abysmal records on human rights, and also Libya's chairmanship of this Commission, has been an issue. These countries, however, argue that Western countries, accusing them of colonialist aggression and brutality, have no right to argue about membership of the Commission.

    However on March 15th the General Assembly passed a resolution creating a new body - a Human Rights Council – to replace the Commission. The body has stricter rules for membership including a universal human rights review and an increase in the number of nations needed to elect a candidate to the body.

    May 9th saw the elections of 47 new members to the Council. Numerous governments with poor records were elected, such as China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Algeria. A few violators that had held seats on the previous Commission, such as Sudan, Libya and Zimbabwe, chose not to run. Some others such as Iran and Venezuela did not receive enough votes to be elected.

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    Oil-for-Food scandal
    See also: Oil-for-Food Program
    The Oil-for-Food Program was established by the UN in 1996 to allow Iraq to sell oil on the world market in exchange for food, medicine, and other humanitarian needs of ordinary Iraqi citizens who were affected by international economic sanctions, without allowing the Iraqi government to rebuild its military in the wake of the first Gulf War. It was discontinued in late 2003 amidst allegations of widespread abuse and corruption; the former director, Benon Sevan of Cyprus, first was suspended, then resigned from the UN, as an interim progress report of a UN-sponsored investigation led by Paul Volcker concluded that Sevan had accepted bribes from the Iraqi regime, and recommended that his UN immunity be lifted to allow for a criminal investigation. [32]

    Under UN auspices, over $65 billion USD worth of Iraqi oil was sold on the world market. Officially, about $46 billion was used for humanitarian needs, and additional revenue paid for Gulf War reparations through a Compensation Fund, UN administrative and operational costs for the Program (2.2%), and the weapons inspection program (0.8%).

    Also implicated in the scandal is Kofi Annan's son Kojo Annan, alleged to have illegally procured UN Oil-for-Food contracts on behalf of the Swiss company Cotecna. India's foreign minister was removed from office because of his role in the scandal.

    The Australian Government set up an inquiry known as the Cole Inquiry in November 2005 to investigate whether the Australian Wheat Board (AWB) breached any laws with its contracts with Iraq during the Oil-for-Food Program. AWB paid Saddam Hussein's regime almost $300 million dollars, through a front company called 'Alia', to secure wheat contracts to Iraq. The Prime Minister (John Howard), Deputy Prime Minister (Mark Vaile) and Foreign Minister of Australia (Alexander Downer) have denied knowing about such bribes as they were called to the inquiry to give an account under oath about what they knew of AWB. However, a recent poll shows that a majority of the Australian public believe that they knew exactly what was taking place.

    It has been suggested that, although the Australian Government did not monitor AWB effectively enough to notice and stop the bribes, that the UN should have been more forceful in requesting the Australian Government to start an Investigation earlier.

    The result of the Cole Inquiry is not yet known.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Nobody said anything was new. You were defending cuban terrorists in the US and then backed off a bit by suggesting they shoudl be prosecuted. I informed you why they could not be. End of discussion.
    What? new? It's not furthering itself as anything. A guy in a basement in Alexandria Virginia wrote a myopic, selective-memory inspired diatribe aimed at a windmill that ceased to exist several years ago.

    The UN isn't going to solve terrorism just like it didn't bring world peace, and to point the focus on it is diversionary and nothing more.

    However if you do want to make it an effective organ, I can't think of anybody less suited to the task than the black helicopter crew, so good luck, you'll need it.
     
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    I don't think I "defended" more than I wondered why President Carter and President Clinton didn't follow through with the prosecution? Why did they let it go? ...I said nothing new to clarify pardons of controversy have occured in the past...

    I present exhibit post#6, in that post I will attest that I, at that moment had no knowledge of reference related to the response I submitted in question...

    The reasoning is simply due to the duration of the timeline which has been vastly in the mindset of absentia as it relates to current topics of consequence. In simple terms: 30 years ago... For you to deduce the conclusionary summary as "defending cuban terrorists" is quite simply a tort in the way of Defamation in the fom of libel...

    I hold you in contempt of carrying over your well known practice of documented and proven Defamation in the form of both libel and slander from the workplace to the forum...I realize in your profession, the tort of Defamation is an aspect of allowance under the duress of the weakness of law practice you fully enjoy, but please keep this diabolical mindset towards representing those that would just as soon rape and mutilate your mother than hold a candle towards the truth...
     
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    The UN needs to be reformed if the goal is to avoid the documented and proven security failures and internal scandals...

    The UN is a tool, nothing more and a blunt one at best,...I don't expect this entity to "solve terrorism", but the oil for food tie in to the terroristic endeavors from the regime of Saddam needs to not ever happen again and the tactics internally need to be reviewed and re-examined.

    The U.N. has to be reformed to suit the post 9/11 world and properly utilizing all tools at disposal is the best way to employ tactics in the war on terror...
     
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    In order to do so would mean giving it signficantly more power to act without a consensus and contributing more western (us) manpower to UN operations to actu under UN command. I'm sure the black helicopter folks are thrilled at that possibility.

    First, there's no direct tie to "terroristic endeavors", simply that they bought oil from Saddam (as did Cheney and the entity he oversaw) and Saddam later gave money to Palestinians. Who knows whether he would have given them money otherwise - but to link the two as hand in hand is being purposefully dishonest. I agree that corruption shoudl be eliminated where possible, be it in the UN, the White House, #10 Downing Street, the kremlin, etc etc etc.

    Reformed from what? The UN doesn't have any tools at its disposal. It has a bunch of committees who do reports. It doesn't have its own army or $$$ or anything. I don't think you understand much about the history of the UN or its functionality.
     
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    diversion.
     

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