Regardless what people feel about Biden's speech, I think we can all agree there is a concerted effort by elements with in the GOP to change the way elections are overseen in favor of their candidates. So setting aside feelings about Biden, would be interesting to discuss those efforts https://news.yahoo.com/evolving-deepening-antidemocratic-threats-could-211233813.html
Nice contribution as always. Tell us your position instead oh yeah you have none or if you do you are too chickenshit to state it. Anyways carry on posting links and videos without context.
I recall Senator Graham making a comment in the media that, if they didn't do everything they could to swing the vote in their favor on elections, no Republican would ever hold office again. So, that mass effort after the supposed stolen election involving states where the GOP has control restricting voting rights and enacting voting laws to favor them, redistricting districts to favor them, etc. ...it's not about a fair election. It's about setting them up in the future to keep their side in power. That's all it is about. It's never been about a fair election. It's about an election that benefits them. I'm sure they would love to overthrow the next presidential election and I bet they are positioning themselves to do just that in 2024 if they lose. We may be going through all the BS election lies again in 2024. A repeat of the Capitol insurrection won't happen, though, because they played that card already and it will be heavily protected next election.
Gop is always trying to game the system what's new? Regardless if they are MAGAs or not, they can't win thorough normal means so they restrict votin opportunities and change the rule whenever they can A national voting day would ensure more people to vote, but Republicans reject that notion cause that just means more vote against them.
I’m very certain that we will see a repeat of a lot of what happened following the 2020 election after the 2024 election. We will probably see some of that following this years election. I would keep an eye out on Az if Hobbs wins closely over Lake. One of the big issues is that many state legislatures are so dominated by the GOP that they have run roughshod over the majority of their state voters, state courts and state constitutions. Consider OH voters voted to reject partisan gerrymandering of their state. The OH Supreme Court agreed with the voters but partly thanks to the USSC their state legislature has chosen to not abide by those decisions. With the gerrymandering of state legislatures it is harder to overturn those legislatures and one reason why we have the situation of several states with Democratic governors yet heavily Republican legislatures. In WI it is Republicans representing a minority of voters yet with a supermajority in the state legislature. The Democrats aren’t blameless in this. The Republican Party has been working towards this for decades. Democrats in the other hand have frequently ignore down ballot races and paid little attention to state houses. Republicans have contested elections at every level down to water district commissioner.
The most puzzling aspect of this and the conservatives positions is that they feel they should still be treated as good faith actors in this game. Like no...you are terrorists, trying to destroy democracy. You don't get a seat at the table. Snowflakes gonna snowflake I guess.
Republicans are a threat to democracy. Always riggin the system with gerrymandering and redistricting. But if they lose, they would just plan long term on how to win. MAGA on the other hand pose an even greater threat to democracy. These folks if they lose would btch, and claim voter's fraud. These are folks that will become potential domestic terrorist when things don't go their way. Folks acting all of Trump voters are all MAGA, nah. some folks just vote alongside party lines regardless of if they believe in it or not.
There were plenty of Germans who went along with the Nazi party even when they didn't agree. We call those people Nazis*. *Different case when Nazis were in complete control of all levels of government and disagreeing meant death... Not applicable to the MAGA fool/fascist of today.
MAGA and GOP are pushing for the Independent State Legislature doctrine. Anti-democratic. The Supreme Court will consider it next year. Good chance the court will rule in favor of it. Once this is in place, the GOP can ignore the people and legally steal elections. Independent state legislature theory - Wikipedia Practically, it would mean that the general public (through ballot initiatives), governors (elected statewide and so not affected by district borders) and state courts would have no role in altering election laws or federal congressional boundaries, even if it violates the state constitution,[29][5] with the legislature "kind of liberated from all the other checks and balances that we would ordinarily find within state government."
Any of yall play/played PICKUP hoops? There's always that ONE TEAM or GUY/s that complain/lie about EVERY call and try to GAME-the-game. They're crying, screaming, calling anything they can. Phantom fouls. Offensive fouls. Changing the final score count (from 12 to 15). Starting fights. You name it. Somehow the whole world is against them and they can do no wrong. And their behavior is magnified x10 when the game is close or on the line. That's MAGA GOP. Good luck, SUCKERS
The gerrymandering was one thing - I never liked it but both parties engage in it. Then came trying to restrict when and how people could vote to try to win elections. That was far more nefarious. But when that didn't work. Now the effort is to be able to just throw out the results. And that's alarming. That's a constitutional crisis that could lead to a complete destabilizing of the country and increasingly a real threat now that you have politicians who will oversee elections with stances that in fact, they won't certify election results.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/03/opinion/joe-biden-democracy-crisis.html Does Biden Really Believe We Are in a Crisis of Democracy? Sept. 3, 2022, 3:00 p.m. ET By Ross Douthat Opinion Columnist Strip away the weird semi-fascist optics, the creepy crimson lighting and the Marines standing sentinel, and the speech Joe Biden gave on Thursday night outside Philadelphia’s Independence Hall could have been given by other prominent Democrats throughout the Trump era. The song is always the same: On the one hand, dire warnings about Trumpian authoritarianism and the need for all patriotic Republicans and independents to join the defense of American democracy; on the other, a strictly partisan agenda that offers few grounds for ideological truce, few real concessions to beliefs outside the liberal tent. In this case, Biden’s speech conflated the refusal to accept election outcomes with opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage — implying that the positions of his own Catholic Church are part of a “MAGA Republican” threat to democracy itself — while touting a State of the Union-style list of policy achievements, a cascade of liberal self-praise. The speech’s warning against eroding democratic norms was delivered a week after Biden’s own semi-Caesarist announcement of a $500 billion student-loan forgiveness plan without consulting Congress. And it was immediately succeeded by the news that Democrats would be pouring millions in advertising into New Hampshire’s Republican Senate primary, in the hopes of making sure that the Trumpiest candidate wins through — the latest example of liberal strategists deliberately elevating figures their party and president officially consider an existential threat to the Republic. The ultimate blame for nominating those unfit candidates lies with the G.O.P. electorate, not Democrats. But in the debate about the risks of Republican extremism, the debate the president just joined, it’s still important to judge the leaders of the Democratic Party by their behavior. You may believe that American democracy is threatened as at no point since the Civil War, dear reader, but theydo not. They are running a political operation in which the threat to democracy is leverage, used to keep swing voters onside without having to make difficult concessions to the center or the right. It’s easy to imagine a Biden speech that offered such concessions without giving an inch in its critique of Donald Trump. The president could have acknowledged, for instance, that his own party has played some role in undermining faith in American elections, that the Republicans challenging the 2020 result were making a more dangerous use of tactics deployed by Democrats in 2004 and 2016. Or his condemnations of political violence could have encompassed the worst of the May and June 2020 rioting, the recent wave of vandalism at crisis pregnancy centers or the assassination plot against Brett Kavanaugh as well as MAGA threats. Or instead of trying to simply exploit the opportunities that the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision has created for his party, he could have played the statesman, invoked his own Catholic faith and moderate past, praised the sincerity of abortion opponents and called for a national compromise on abortion — a culture war truce, if you will, for the greater good of saving democracy itself. You can make a case for Biden refusing these gestures (or a different set pegged to different non-liberal concerns). But that case requires private beliefs that diverge from Biden’s public statements: In particular, a belief that Trumpism is actually too weak to credibly threaten the democratic order, and that it’s therefore safe to accept a small risk of, say, a Trump-instigated crisis around the vote count in 2024 if elevating Trumpists increases the odds of liberal victories overall. For actual evidence supporting such a belief, I recommend reading Julian G. Waller’s essay “Authoritarianism Here?” in the spring 2022 issue of the journal American Affairs. Surveying the literature on so-called democratic backsliding toward authoritarianism around the world, Waller argues that the models almost always involve a popular leader and a dominant party winning sweeping majorities in multiple elections, gaining the ground required to entrench their position and capture cultural institutions, all the while claiming the mantle of practicality and common sense. As you may note, this does not sound like a description of the current Republican Party — a minority coalition led by an unpopular chancer that consistently passes up opportunities to seize the political center, a party that enjoys structural advantages in the Senate and the Electoral College but consistently self-sabotages by nominating zany or incompetent candidates, a movement whose influence in most cultural institutions collapsed in the Trump era. If Jan. 6 and its aftermath made it easier to imagine a Trumpian G.O.P. precipitating a constitutional crisis, they did not make it more imaginable that it could consolidate power thereafter, in the style of Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan or Venezuela’s Hugo Chávez or any other example. Which in turn makes it relatively safe for the Democratic Party to continue using crisis-of-democracy rhetoric instrumentally, and even tacitly boost Trumpwithin the G.O.P., instead of making the moves toward conciliation and cultural truce that a real crisis would require. Such is an implication, at least, of Waller’s analysis, and it’s my own longstanding read on Trumpism as well. That reading may well be too sanguine. But in their hearts, Joe Biden and the leaders of his party clearly think I’m right.
Does Ross Douthat really believe we aren't? The independent state legislature doctrine being pushed by the GOP seems pretty much like a threat to democracy. The idea that the only options are the Republican won or else it was cheating seems like we might be approaching a crisis.
My parents are preparing for anarchy or something because of all this bullshit from the right wing media. They really think the Country is about to go full Purge because of the deep state. They bought an insanely large natural gas generator, and not for hurricanes. They think Biden is going to get rid of gasoline and take down the grid or something. It’s so dumb. Told me we won’t need fuel luckily because of the golf carts and they have their guns…. I just have to ignore them at this point when they go full crazy. There is no reasoning with them.
