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The thought of Rafer playing 38+ minutes a game in the playoffs...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by AGBee, Feb 16, 2007.

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  1. AGBee

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    ...is already giving me heart problems :(
     
  2. Nice Rollin

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    just take solace in knowing that the Ming Dynasty will be back
     
  4. ShadyMcGrady

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    Well if Rafer handles the ball this carelessly, he's no better than V-Span.

    In fact, if he handles the ball this carelessly, V-Span is better. V-Span, I think, has the ability to drive and finish whereas Rafer does not and neither of them are hitting their outside jumpers.

    But Rafer doesn't play this bad every game. I just want Yao back...I don't know if it'll stop the boneheaded Rafer plays, but it will help.
     
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    When have YOU seen VSPAN do anything better than Rafer? Honestly, VSPAN isnt playing for a reason and its just not his I was the TMAC in Greece comment.
     
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    I said "I think" he has the ability to drive and finish, and this was just a hypothetical situation...sheesh.

    I know very well V-Mac's not getting any minutes in the playoffs and I was just saying V-Mac might be better at driving and finishing...I never said he WAS better than Rafer.

    I also said "Rafer doesn't play this bad every game"

    ...and I know V-Span's not playing for a reason.
     
  7. Nice Rollin

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    he's shot 50% or better only 5 times this year

    our "pass shoot pg" has only 2 games in which he has had double digit assist numbers

    shoots the ball 13 times a game.

    shoots 6 threes a game only averages 5 assits.


    oh and for those who say he doesnt turn the ball over
    what does he really do???? walks the ball up court and gives it to mac at the three point line. it isnt that hard fellas. other than that he'd have more turnovers if he drove and dished...
     
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    This is what I just wrote in the game analysis:

    I will add another thing though, I DO NOT want the ball in the his hands for the last minute shot. That's just stupid.
     
  9. Nice Rollin

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    rafer was 7 for 17 against sacremento

    HE TOOK 17 SHOTS!!!!!!!!!!


    I THOUGHT WE GOT RID OF MIKE JAMES CUZ WE WANTED A "TRUE POINT"

    WHAT KIND OF TRUE POINT TAKES 17 SHOTS?
     
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    Wait..where did all the rafer lovers go who like to slam all the rafer haters?
     
  11. CharlieMurphy

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    Apparently it's hard enough that Luther can't do it. I remember him getting stripped several times before he's even crossed the halfcourt.
     
  12. Nice Rollin

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    "He wasn't brought in to be a primary scoring option"
    i agree with that
    but does he know that is the question....
    WHy is he shooting 13 shots a game? it blows my mind. some of those with 24 on the shot clock like tonight....others trying to take bibby 1 on 1 in overtime against sacrmento when tmac is at the three point like clapping for the ball
     
  13. ShadyMcGrady

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    Well honestly this season, there haven't been THAT many "last shot" attempts (because all our games are usually decided before it comes down to a do-or-die shot) so maybe Rafer/Luther froze in that situation, especially with no timeouts.

    I'm not excusing it i'm just throwing out a possible reason.

    Either way, they need to watch game film, and they need to be sat down and explained to that THEY NEED TO GET THE BALL TO T-MAC REGARDLESS and get the hell out of his way, especially when he's feeling it like that...

    We wasted T-Mac's fire tonight, that hurts.
     
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    trust me...luther head is worse. i dont want him running point.
     
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    My comment came off al little harsh, but way too many people think VSPAN is a solution. Sure he may be able to drive and finish, but if TMAC is getting dbl teamed do you really think that the other team would let VSPAN dirve? If anything it would be his man dbl teaming TMAC. VSPAN can't make a shot, and if he drove I guarantee he would only make 25% of those shots. He won't get calls form the ref. It would end up being a very bad shot. By the time he drove to the hoop the oposing players would have dropped off the dbl team and at least be in position to defend the pass from the penetrating VSPAN.
     
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    Its obviously not his fault. The way the offence is run he has all these open shots. Its ridiculous for anyone in basketball to tell someone not to shoot open shots. His got them he should take them, its a fricken call any coach tells a player. You got the open shot you take it. Rafer has the open shot 80% of the time. Its the way the offence is run that gives him that many shots. The plays are run but more then likely the defences will let Rafer shoot and deny the play
     
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    No I feel you man...V-Span might not be the answer but...slowly i'm shifting away from apologizing for Rafer's play.

    It's becoming ridiculous. Every time he messes up I try to find something positive and usually do, but in crucial games like this, it's too much. Especially when you have the chance to knock off the best team in the league without your best player (or second best player, however you want to look at it).

    I'm going to wait 'till Yao gets back and back into shape then i'm going to finally judge Rafer Alston for this team.

    If he messes up this many times WITH Yao and McGrady on the floor, i'm going to be pissed. The trade deadline will be over by then as well.
     
  18. Nice Rollin

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    yeah but all his shots are not open....he's not getting 13 open shots a game. against sac, he didnt get 17 open shots. and he's quick with the trigger.

    offensive rebound...kick it out to the pg to set up the offense, but the ball is already in the air before the time keeper can reset the shot clock to 24 secs...not even matt maloney did that or rookie sam cassell
     
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    I suggest you see a doctor first then before you actually look at Rafer's playoff numbers.

    Someone was <a href="showthread.php?p=2749747#post2749747">ripping on Mike James' playoff performance</a> against Dallas a couple of years back as a way to prop up Rafer. The knock was that James was 0-9 from three-point range in the series (sort of forgetting he shot 55% from inside the arc in the series).

    He didn't even bother to look up Rafer, whose only real playoff experience came in 2003-04 with the Heat. This was one of Rafer's "best" (cough) seasons as he shot 37.6% from the field and 37.1% from three-point range (sound familiar?). He played 32 minutes a night for the Heat in the regular season, but was off the bench in all 13 playoff games that year.

    22.7 minutes, 31.9% from the field, 23.1% from three (4 threes a night), 1.7 assists and 0.46 steals.

    Someone get AGBee a heart fibulator.
     
  20. Nice Rollin

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    I cringe evertime I see this. I don't know whether i'm mad that the rockets took this contract, or glad that we weren't the ones to give it to him

    Alston signed a 6-year contract worth $26,250,000.00 on Jul 14, 2004. Will be a free Agent in 2010.
     

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