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The state of the republican party

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Contributing Member

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    Well said. You can't support the rule of law and vote Republican. The majority of the party has shown they don't care about the rule of law, if it's one of their own breaking it. Power, greed, cover-ups, and lies. It's an evil combination to say the least.
     
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    The grimmest poll

    https://hotair.com/allahpundit/2022/08/09/the-grimmest-poll-n488570
     
  3. Invisible Fan

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    Makes me think Dems will crown their own Trump within the next decade to pry power from Dem leadership's cold geriatric hands.

    They have to react to Republican radicalization because said radicalization was not self correcting and has been successful at letting them get away with their agenda.

    Should've let Bernie do his thing against Hillary. I think she would've still won the nod but party bosses gotta act like party bosses...
     
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  4. deb4rockets

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    The answer is to hold criminals accountable for their actions, not retaliate with more radicalization. Weed out the cons, crooks, and traitors and put people in government who actually want a better America for all, more than power at all cost.
     
  5. Invisible Fan

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    I've been waiting for that since we went around digging for WMDs, let alone finding the Real Culprit for the 08 Great Financial Crisis.

    Money talks (1st Amendment protected). Money votes.

    Because of that, the growing lower rungs of both parties will grow more hungry and more desperate.
     
  6. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet
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    What is my blind spot?
    I think people only give that the least favorable interpretation (ie falsify the count so I win), when another interpretation (I won, there was fraud, and you only have to find X number of examples) is equally plausible.
    You are really selling me on not liking Trump. Of course, I already said I don't like Trump and didn't vote for Trump, so I don't know what the point is.
    I haven't seen the SecDef quote with regard to Trump and the Constitution. I could only guess it was related to Jan. 6. I do know that the court which is 1/3 Trump appointees has given more deference to the Constitution than has been seen in more than 80 years. I wish they could find more like Thomas, but Gorsuch seems okay and Barrett and Kavanaugh are not too bad, though they seem to hedge a bit too much instead of standing behind the Constitution.

    As to how "dangerous" Trump is, I have never felt that I was in danger from any POTUS. They have all just been annoyances to greater and lesser degrees.
    I have no problem with Liz Cheney supporting investigation of Jan. 6 (though I think it was a mistake to agree to be the a token Republican on a committee that is 7 Dems and 2 Republicans and on which the Dems disallowed Reps from chosing their own members). The voters in her district/state took a dimmer view of her participation than I.

    I take issue with the idea of standing with the Democrats because you are worried about separation of powers, federalism, and government interference in the market (which is what I said, and you quoted). The Democrats do not support separation of powers, find federalism absolutely antithetical to their style of governance, and constantly try to have the government interfere in the market. Look at the bills they are passing. Trying to pass laws that mandate abortion, contraception, and gay marriage nationwide are not exactly the mark of federalism. Voting for a bill that declares or denies a Constitutional right without using the Amendment process to try to overturn a Supreme Court decision is not a respect for the separation of powers. Voting for price caps is not avoiding interference in the market. It would be like supporting Republicans because you are vehemently pro-Choice and for tax increases. So, of course it is ideological. I don't support the Democrats ideology. I don't support the Republicans ideology either, but it is less odious than that of the Democrats. My ideology doesn't have traction, so all I really get to do is complain to no effect.
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    Can't blame them, they left the party years ago, they don't have anything to do with it other than POASTING FOR IT ALL THE TIME FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF DOWNLPLAYING THE DANGER
     
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    I see the state of Republican Party as a bunch of angry people who feel the are victimized by too much taxes and gov't without explanation, that Joe Biden is ruining their lives, that their savior Trump is being victimized - and they do this all why they sip expensive win and eat at resorts. I come across them everywhere complaining from their golf carts to the spa all because they want to pay 0% tax instead of 2%.

    "We ran away to Mexico illegally because we are sick of being forced to wear masks, get vaccines, and all the illegals from Mexico raping everyone. So yeah, now we're in Mexico and going off the grid to avoid the gubernament"

    Party has lost grip on reality.

    Disagree with anything they say, "you're a brain-washed wokester"
    Don't say anything when they rant, "you're a brain-washed wokester"
     
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  9. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Same here. I now only vote to stop the Republicans from continuing their crazy train.

    I rather pay more in taxes than lose democracy.
     
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    Its really hard for Dems to crown a Trump like figure. The primaries are way too diverse and there are just too many diverse stakeholders with different interests. And the progressive faction hasn't quite figured out how to campaign properly yet. 2020 was a complete dud for Bernie and a lot of it was simply due to the fact that his team just didn't understand the mechanics of primaries and how to win diverse constituencies. And with Democrats importing a lot of suburban voters, it actually gets even harder to elect an ideologue.

    IMO, 2016 was the optimal year for Dems to elect a far left candidate but for a variety of reasons that didn't happen. But I think its quite a bit harder to pull off now. The Republicans on the other hand have made it easier to elect Trumpy candidates because importing rural and WWC Democrats just boosts the appeal of ideologues. They basically gained the most populist constituency in the US and that'll just lead to more radical outcomes in primaries.
     
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    I don't believe they are actua"libertarians" but rather those who find the racist elements distasteful and so they give themselves this label to make themselves feel a bit better but still cast the votes for the R.
     
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    So you think It's ok to make fun of domestic terrorism?

    And have it cosigned by an entire political party?

    Would that fly if an Islamic conference was making fun of it?
     
  13. jiggyfly

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    WOW!

    And he can still make money by showing up to stuff like CPAC.

    Just when I think these people can't be any more gullible.:eek:

    That's actually scary.
     
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    Tulsi Gabbard tried the Trump 2015/16 playbook of running against her own party, and in the primaries it just came off as mean spirited, and bombed with the Dem voter crowd who are more concerned with issues like single payer than they are personal insults. She tried to go at Kamala like Trump did with Rubio and Cruz. It was such an obvious tactic.

    Guess where Tulsi Gabbard ended up.... as a nightly guest on FoxNews. So that tells you all you need to know about the difference between Dem voters and Republican voters, and it tells you that you can't forget who your voters really are. Does that mean they are all about milk toast Joe Biden???... hell no. It tells you they hired Joe Biden like you'd hire an accountant, or at best like how the Sixers hired Hinkie. He's there to do a job, and Dem voters are totally fine hiring the next guy or girl who can do a better job in 2024.

    I predict if Dems hold the House and Senate in November, and pass even more legislation in 23 and 24 than much like when the Sixers saw how awesome Joel Embiid was, and how they needed a second star in the draft, Dems will probably look at Biden and say "Trust the Process"... AKA let's keep the continuity going. If the Dem's lose the House and the Senate in November, then I would bet you 100 bucks today, Biden won't be the nominee in 24.

    (Another reason why Biden won't be the nominee in that case is because we know if the GOP holds the House that it'll be all hands on deck to ensure democracy holds and the House and GOP state legislatures do not try and overturn 2024. So having Biden stay in the White House and not on the campaign trail to put all his effort into staffing important positions, etc. and preparing our country for what might be coming will be key)
     
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    I don't see it that way at all. The draw of Libertarianism when Ayan Rand started the crackpot philosophy was essentially a destruction of the administration state of government, and having greed govern completely. That greed first system cannot exist without an autocrat type whether it be from the corporation side, or government or what would likely be representing both. If you want to destroy the bureaucracy, you can't rely on the bureaucracy to destroy itself. You need an autocrat to do the job, and that's why the Rand Pauls of this country are so enticed by Trump, and that's why the so-called "libertarians" here are always finding common cause with Trump.

    Another element is the social side of Trumpism which is a tell that they know how immoral and unpopular it is so it's their human nature of wanting to be liked in society not allowing them to fully waive their Trump flag in public, and wanting people to treat them as though they are someone to respect. It's a tell they know Trumpism is akin to the worst of the worst social prototypes.
     
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    And this is why the Republicans are going to be embarrassed in NOV.

    You are the type of voter that is going to be the silent killer, hopefully bet republicans started back on the right track, we need a logical functioning Republican Party because if not Democrats will start to overreach.

    I just realized who you were, it's amazing how much an avi gets associated with a poster, I thought you were a new guy.
     
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    So Bernie was not allowed to do his thing?

    Can you explain?
     
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    Except that this isn’t a Rocket fan on the GARM complaining about the refs jobbed the refs. This is the President of the United States pressuring a state official to overturn their election.

    If you don’t see how that violates several Constitutional principles and that is a pretty big blind spot.
    I was referring to Mattis who wrote an op-Ed in the Atlantic well before Jan. 6th. About how dangerously divisive Trump was This past week though statements from several other generals have come out about the danger of Trump including how he wants to use the military to go after civilians.

    Regarding the judges any Republican would appoint conservative judges. What is different about Trump though is his lack of respect for the judiciary and his willingness to go after judges that rule against him. In some cases even judges he appointed.
    Trump is unlike any previous President. As far as you not feeling personally in danger you’ve make a lot of statements before and in text below about what you see as an erosion of Constitutional freedoms. A President of the United States undermining Constitutional norms might not be a threat to your personal safety but it certainly would be to this freedoms.
    First off I would like to see the bills that the Democrats are proposing mandating abortion or gay marriage. “Pro-choice” by definition means you can choose to have or not have an abortion.

    Again those things you don’t like about Democrats there are many others politicians and others who support what you like. The issue is that First off Trump doesn’t really care about things like Federalism or limited government. He will forget and undermine those whenever they don’t benefit him personally. The blind spot is downplaying a
    President who not only doesn’t have any principles but is also willing to use the tools of the Presidency to undermine those principles when it suits him.
     

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