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The solution to the problematic post-up entry pass

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by macalu, Dec 9, 2005.

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  1. macalu

    macalu Member

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    I saw it last night and the color commentator for TNT elaborated on it. Much like the picks Yao puts up for Tmac at the top of the 3 point line, this would put enough space b/t Yao and his defender for Yao to catch the ball cleanly.

    Have Yao on one side of the court and the ball on the opposite side. Then, have someone pick Yao's defender while Yao runs towards the ball. Immediately, there is separation b/c his defender is still trying to go around the pick. As soon as Yao gets to the same side as the ball, zip it in to him.

    The problem has always been our guards waiting for him to get position first and push his man out the way. This only allows the defenders to easily collapse on Yao before he even has the ball.

    I really feel this is the best way to go about it.
     
    #1 macalu, Dec 9, 2005
  2. DaDakota

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    Agreed.
     
    #2 DaDakota, Dec 9, 2005
  3. Tango

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    I like it. From the times that I've seen Yao seems to be more comfortable getting the ball while in motion anyway. Not sure why that is.
     
    #3 Tango, Dec 9, 2005
  4. ubigred

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    turnovers waiting to happen...
     
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  5. macalu

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    as opposed to turnovers already happening?
     
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  6. ubigred

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    no need to make it worse right?
     
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  7. macalu

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    could you please explain how this would increase turnovers?
     
    #7 macalu, Dec 9, 2005
  8. rocketman1979

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    Its a simple solution to simple problem. A 70 year old explained to me the exact same strategy for freeing up Yao 3 years ago.
     
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  9. ubigred

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    pass in post + a moving Yao + plus a physical presence defending him = TURNOVER.

    dont forget to check your work ;)
     
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  10. rocketman1979

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    If you create a pick for Yao, his defender will need to be alot more physical to get around the pick and defend Yao. Not only will tire out the defender if he has to do this 15+ times a game he also be forced to pick up some cheap fouls.

     
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  11. sbyang

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    Yao's had this problem since his rookie year!

    That's 2 coaching staffs and tons of different ppl trying to get him the ball. And nothing seems to work against the front.

    It's a nice idea and all but i'm pretty sure they've tried everything, Yao has to get better or they have to get better passers.
     
    #11 sbyang, Dec 9, 2005
  12. macalu

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    i fixed your math for you. you have failed math 101. please register next year and try again.
     
    #12 macalu, Dec 9, 2005
  13. macalu

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    this strategy doesn't allow the defense enough time to front.
     
    #13 macalu, Dec 9, 2005
  14. ubigred

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    like reggie miller said....Yao has to use his 7' 6" 300+ pound body and put his big butt on somebody TO HOLD POSITION.
     
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  15. dragon167

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    LOL then u r like reggie who just watched few rocket games and didnt realise what our problems are. Reggie also asks Yao to play like shaq and it just shows he has no idea what's Yao strengths and weaknesses.
     
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  16. ubigred

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    i've watched all the rockets games...but i give you second part.
     
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  17. Tango

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    No, I think you've been the one that's been missing all the games. How in the heck do you think we torched Dallas in the playoff's using the TMAC-Yao pick&roll? Both of them are in motion once the pick is set. Yao has been able to catch and roll to the basket effectively.

    So tell me again how a Yao using a screen on the move hurts us?
     
    #17 Tango, Dec 9, 2005
  18. DaDakota

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    Yao should be used EXACTLY like Karl Malone was used with John Stockton....

    DD
     
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  19. beyao

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    they already use this play...just not all that often.

    I still say the best thing to "free Yao" is to give him more autonomy and let him play the high post every now and then...mix it up so his defender does not always know where he's going to catch the ball...keep your defender guessing...that way when you do go deep in the post, you catch him off guard and easily seal him.
     
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    One major problem with this strategy:

    Yao's defender won't follow Yao out way past the hoop. The ball may be on one side of the court and Yao on the other, but Yao's defender isn't way out there with him, waiting to get picked. No, Yao's defender hangs around the lane waiting for Yao to come to him or for someone else to drive the lane after receiving a pass.
     
    #20 droxford, Dec 9, 2005
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