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The Rockets PG Crisis!!(read Rafer sux) Solve it even if have to give up Battier

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by W22_STREAK, Nov 8, 2008.

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  1. W22_STREAK

    W22_STREAK Member

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    some people say good things happen when Rafer playing PG...

    but way better things happen if Rafer is out of Houston...

    let me describe the reasons I think Rafer, despite his good attributes, like running the offense well and defending PGs quite well, well, sux.

    --Terrible shooting despite being open on most of those shots.

    --Career bad shooter. Actually, career terrible shooter.

    --Assists are good, but on a team such as Houston an average starting PG should get a lot more. Not that I'm complaining Rafers assists numbers, but with the offensive weapons we have, I'd expect our PG to get more.

    --Hes been good for what, during the 22 winning streak? What about all the other 324325 games.

    --At age 32 he is on the decline. There is a proven history of fast decline for PGs who can't shoot after when they get into their 30's and rely on their speed. i.e. Rafer

    I don't think we can win a championship with that kind of PG. Aaron is good but not entirely ready and can't defend top PGs. We right now is basically heavily relying on Rafer, who can't shoot, and when trying to sub in Aaron he doesn't matchup with opposing bigger PGs well. Thats why we had to have Rafer cover Baron Davis for 40 Mins while Aaron sat on the bench. With the quality of PGs in the West right now(oh and Billups now), we will struggle with Aaron defending them.


    It doesn't mean we can get a free PG out of nowhere. We need to give up assets to gain assets, right? Right now Battiers value is as high as its ever been, and with Ron Artest on the table, why not dangle Shane out there? There is no absolute need to trade Shane, but with the following deal I spent hours planning I think its worth a shot.



    Reasons for each team involved:

    Houston: We need a GOOD PG. Period. In this trade we get 2! How awesome is that? And I love Travis Outlaw. Weren't we considering Battier for Outlaw + 13th pick?

    Chicago: Derrick Rose is a stud. Kirk Hinrich only makes rebuilding harder. Salary dump in return for expiring contract and 2 promising young talents? I think with how Milwaukee dumped Mo Williams, this deal is actually better than the Mo Williams salary dump.

    Portland: They love Battier over there. Frye+Blake+Outlaw in return for Battier/Rafer/Luther sounds decent to me. They don't have much playing time for all of their awesome depth. I mean Jarryd Bayless isn't even getting any minutes and he is top 5 draft talent. I really like this Portland team, and they have said recently that all of their players are more than available apart from Oden/LMA/Roy. They've been looking for a veteran for a looong time.
     
    #1 W22_STREAK, Nov 8, 2008
  2. DPballer

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    1 star.

    Trading Battier is how your PREVENT us from winning a championship.

    And no, there's no crisis at PG as long as AB shines as a backup and Rafer doesn't have to take many shots.
     
    #2 DPballer, Nov 8, 2008
  3. rofflesaurus

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    hinrich is out 3 months with a thumb injury just so you guys know lol

    but i'd really like hinrich on the rockets despite his contract. good shooter, decent defender, above average point guard.
     
    #3 rofflesaurus, Nov 8, 2008
  4. Hmm

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    you don't get rid of your defensive floor general and best team and transition defender.. when your team is currently struggling at both..
     
    #4 Hmm, Nov 8, 2008
  5. mms

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    Our chips are Rafer, Head, Francis, Scola/Landry.
     
    #5 mms, Nov 8, 2008
  6. Rollazn

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    Seriously? I wouldn't do it.

    Right now i'm not giving up Aaron Brooks or Shane Battier. Aaron brings a PG that can score and has insane speed. I wouldn't give him up to get Kirk Hinrich or Steve Blake.. Kirk Hinrich used to be a really good PG - but for some reason hasn't been playing as well last season.

    I just can't give up Shane Battier. He's the leader of our group... in the rockets tipoff before the game... they had a question about who would make a good president... mostly everyone said Shane Battier. Why? His leadership... he's vocal and he just an all around great player to play with.

    Plus without his D - you can see how much we're struggling. Especially with our transition D. I think when Battier is on the floor - other players around him would play harder on D just because their seeing Battier give up his body and try to win... influence them to play harder.



    Basically i'm wouldn't do it. Giving up Aaron Brooks and Shane Battier is just too much. Travis Outlaw is a good player with offense as well as D (not as good as battier however) but i still wouldn't give up Battier.
     
    #6 Rollazn, Nov 8, 2008
  7. The Rock MVP

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    seriously read previous posts guys


    IBTL
     
    #7 The Rock MVP, Nov 8, 2008
  8. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Well, that narrows that down, unless Morey can get him on the cheap now because of it...

    GET BUSY MOREY...don't waste a potential championship season by having BRICKER Alston ruining it again.

    DD
     
    #8 DaDakota, Nov 8, 2008
  9. redao

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    Rafer? he has negative trade value. No team want to pay $4M to a worst PG.

    The only possible solution is that we find some good PG from oversea .
     
    #9 redao, Nov 8, 2008
  10. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    That is not going to happen, we are stuck with Bricker Alston.....just have to minimize the negative impact he has on the team and bench him when he starts thinking he can actually shoot the ball or drive into the lane....twist...and at all costs avoid the contact to shoot yet another air ball.

    Brick to my Lou.

    DD
     
    #10 DaDakota, Nov 8, 2008
  11. abc2007

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    We cannot give up Battier! But, I do think we can give up one of our PFs.
     
    #11 abc2007, Nov 8, 2008
  12. The Rock MVP

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    I can't wait until the game where Rafer is the reason we win....he gets his confidence back like he did last season and he shoots around 40%.

    You guys will be praising him. He sucks now and you guys just go crazy. Might as well get mad at Morey for not delivering a championship yet. Blame does not need to be allocated after every game.
     
    #12 The Rock MVP, Nov 8, 2008
  13. abc2007

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    When you talk about your starting pg, you don't talk about how big contribution he brings to this team, instead, you have to talk about how small he hurts this team. You know how good this pg is!
     
    #13 abc2007, Nov 8, 2008
  14. Codman

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    failure of logic.
     
    #14 Codman, Nov 8, 2008
  15. Akim523

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    Damn man its depression... :(
     
    #15 Akim523, Nov 8, 2008
  16. rox4lyf

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    as much as everyone wants to rip rafer which i have been doing recently you cannot deny our win and loss record with him is much better than it is without him.
     
    #16 rox4lyf, Nov 8, 2008
  17. killlogan

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    Do not trade battier unless we can get Deron or CP3, We have to face the fact that we can't get a PG a little bit better than rafer. We can get some controvercial PGs like Marbury or Tinsley who can contribute little to us. Those who can do a brilliant job are not even close to us. Give up half team's rosters for Kidd? You gotta know how bad the trade is if you take a flash look at the Mavs. Keep battier unless we have a chance to get Deron or CP3, even devin harris is OK but I've found no reason for the nets to trade this guy for a 30-year old veteran.
     
    #17 killlogan, Nov 8, 2008
  18. larsv8

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    How about we wait and see how adding Battier to the team makes us, before trading away 2 starters.
     
    #18 larsv8, Nov 8, 2008
  19. Ikorose

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    We're fine at PG. As long as Rafer starts he won't have enough shots to jack up playing with the big 3. Also with Brooks improving play he'll take minutes away from Rafer and might even finish some games.
     
    #19 Ikorose, Nov 8, 2008
  20. Ikorose

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    Sorry for the double post, but Kirk Hinrich is out for 3 months.
     
    #20 Ikorose, Nov 8, 2008
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