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The Rockets Need To Make Teams Pay For Fronting Yao

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Caboose, Nov 17, 2006.

  1. Caboose

    Caboose Member

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    I love analysing basketball so I started a Rockets fan blog, rocketsjunkie.com. This is my first written "analysis" on something I really believe the Rockets need to do for Yao to dominate. When Yao is fronted he looks helpless at times. I noticed it a good amount of times last night.

    The Way To Make Teams Pay For Fronting Yao

    I do not understand why more teams do not front Yao Ming. It seems like whenever he is being fronted the Rockets can't find a way to get him the ball. Yao's unstoppable when he gets the ball in good post position. The only way to stop him is from preventing him from getting the ball. Fronting Yao is a great option. Not because it is a grueling defensive plan, but because JVG and the Rockets can't seem to figure out the easiest way to beat it. The Bulls had some success fronting Yao and it seems like ever team that has attempted to front Yao has had success with it.

    Memo to Van Gundy. This is how you beat the front. This is the one time that the Rockets ran the right offense against it. I think this might have happened accidentally, because I've never seen the Rockets run this simple play.

    1) You've got Battier in the corner attempting to throw the ball into Yao on the right block. Rafer started the play at the top of the key and TMac was on the left wing. Juwan starts out on the left block. The Spurs have Francisco Elson fronting Yao with Tim Duncan waiting behind Yao. Bowen slides down to the paint and Parker waits at the foul line. Basically the Spurs have 5 players focused on Yao. 1 guy in front of him. 1 behind him. And three other players not too far away. What the Rockets would normally do would be to either wait about 10 seconds until they realize that they can't get it into Yao this way and swing it, or swing it to TMac on the opposite side right away. That is not the right thing to do. This "slide" would normally be the only one we'd see on a play like this.
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    2) Rafer goes to the left corner forcing Tony Parker to follow. Juwan Howard flases to the right elbow.
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    3) Juwan recieves the pass. This forces Duncan to start to come out on him. Since TMac is now 1 easy pass away, instead of a cross court pass, Bowen is forced to sag out've the paint to the foul line.
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    4) Now that Duncan had to go out and guard Juwan all Juwan has to do is lob it into Yao. With no one behind him he's got an easy layup.
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    See. How simple was that? I know it won't be that exact situation everytime Yao is fronted, but the easiest way to beat it is to spread the court and send someone to the high post. If this worked a couple times in a row maybe Duncan would leave Juwan open for the jumper instead of coming out on him. If Juwan starts nailing them then the Spurs or whoever the Rockets play would have to abandon that style of defense and play Yao straight up. No one can guard Yao straight up if he gets good position. I am shocked that the Rockets don't know how easily this play work. I learned this sort've thing playing high school basketball. Coach always said that when the big man's being fronted on the block you've got to send someone to the high post. Hopefully the Rockets will learn this as well. It is so simple but it could be so effective.
     
  2. Tango

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    Nice breakdown. Your pics don't match what you're say however.
     
  3. thumbs

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    It helps your analysis if one of the Rockets could put the ball through the net rather than clanging iron.
     
  4. Caboose

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    **** whoops. 1) <img src="http://rocketsjunkie.com/media/blogs/Rockets%20Junkie/1.jpg">
    You've got Battier in the corner attempting to throw the ball into Yao on the right block. Rafer started the play at the top of the key and TMac was on the left wing. Juwan starts out on the left block. The Spurs have Francisco Elson fronting Yao with Tim Duncan waiting behind Yao. Bowen slides down to the paint and Parker waits at the foul line. Basically the Spurs have 5 players focused on Yao. 1 guy in front of him. 1 behind him. And three other players not too far away. What the Rockets would normally do would be to either wait about 10 seconds until they realize that they can't get it into Yao this way and swing it, or swing it to TMac on the opposite side right away. That is not the right thing to do. This "slide" would normally be the only one we'd see on a play like this.

    2) <img src="http://rocketsjunkie.com/media/blogs/Rockets%20Junkie/2.jpg">
    Rafer goes to the left corner forcing Tony Parker to follow. Juwan Howard flases to the right elbow.

    3) <img src="http://rocketsjunkie.com/media/blogs/Rockets%20Junkie/3.jpg>
    Juwan recieves the pass. This forces Duncan to start to come out on him. Since TMac is now 1 easy pass away, instead of a cross court pass, Bowen is forced to sag out've the paint to the foul line.

    4) <img src="http://rocketsjunkie.com/media/blogs/Rockets%20Junkie/4.jpg>
    Now that Duncan had to go out and guard Juwan all Juwan has to do is lob it into Yao. With no one behind him he's got an easy layup.
     
  5. Caboose

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    arghhh i messed up again
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  6. Impper

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    Wow, that really does look wide open. I'm always sitting here screaming about Yao being fronted. I really don't see why the Rockets can't get simple things like this down right
     
  7. wingz0

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    Very, very nice analysis there Caboose.

    I guess it shows that sometimes, the simplest option is the best option.

    I think JVG's just fallen into the hole of trying to think of too many counters and simultaneous options instead of just relying on the good old high post flare-and-lob like this one.
     
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    Nice analysis man....don't forget to cc JVG, or bcc if you are scared he will hunt you down.
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    Good analysis and what it sounds like you are advocating is basic ball movement to force defenders to come out their sets and react. One other thought I had was that if the Rox wing and outside players look to pentrate more that will pull players fronting Yao or like in your picture lurking behind Yao away from him to react to the penetration. This will make it easier to get Yao the ball as the D can't just sag in around Yao but have to consider cutting off penetration lanes to the basket.
     
  10. Caboose

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    Here's the video. Look how quick and easy that play was.
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  11. hotblooded

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    Great analysis

    this thread is infinitely times better than all the other

    "tmac sucks/Yao sucks" threads out there

    threads like this is one of the biggest reasons why I love this site
     
  12. Caboose

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    thanks. It has been something that has frustrated me for a while. Every time he gets fronted I always either screen to the tv or to my dad to put someone at the high post. When I saw Juwan do it I went nuts. I thought the Rockets would start doing it more often but so far they haven't.

    All throughout high school my school ran a player called "rover" whenever a team played a zone against us. It was the easiest player. The point would be up top and the 2 guard and sf would be on the wings. The "rover" would run elbow to elbow with the ball and the big man would run block to block, following the ball. It was the most simple play in the book, but it got our big man a lot of easy layups on lobs.

    I just hope someone noticed the play by Juwan (of all people) when they looked at the tape of that game....
     
  13. Deuce

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    Nice analysis!

    Not being able to beat that 'fronting defense' and our problems with full court pressure are two of my biggest pet peeves of this team.
     
  14. Hayesfan

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    Great breakdown. Thumbs up for your analysis.
     
  15. jdrock

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    Love the analysis - always fun to up my personal bball IQ!
     
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    Actually - Caboose - got a question.. wouldn't it be easy to beat this play by having Duncan and Elson switch men?

    I.e., As Juwan moves to the elbow, Duncan is following, but when Duncan gets to Yao, he motions for Elson to switch up and take Juwan.

    Now Juwan has a tough pass around Elson and is too slow to go past him, and Duncan is on Yao's back.

    I suppose this is still better for us than Elson fronting Yao and Duncan behind him, but it's something. Also, I guess the defense would have to recognize what we're doing, which may not happen everytime.

    Well, now that I'm thinking about it.. if such a thing were to happen, we could easily have JHo hand the ball off to Battier. JHo sets a pick - either Battier is open for a 3, JHo has room to pass to Yao, or JHo is open for a jumpshot.
     
  17. Yetti

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    I agree with what Caboose is try to tell us ! The big problem is that unlike Hakeem when the same thing was happening to him, we don't have competent players that can make that pass like Robert Hory was able to make, with the exception of Tracy Mc Grady. If TMc was the one passing into Yao then this would work most of the time.
     
  18. YaozaMac

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    looks good!
     
  19. Rockfan94

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    I don't agree with your assesment. In Hakeem's time, there was a rule called illegal defense. Now there is not. I remember Hakeem used to have difficulties against Seattle Sonic's diffense, which they had Payton right in between Hakeem and the player who was going to throw the ball to him. That play prety much took aways Hakeem's offense and that is why at that time Rockets seems always lose to Sonics. I also remember at that time how often Rockets coaches and fans in Houston cried about Sonic's illegal defense.

    Nevertheless, Yao and Rockets still needs to figure out how to beat the fronting. Caboose's analysis is a good one. But I am thinking why not JVG and coaches just figure this thing out by doing some experiment in practice. Just practice fronting Yao and try all possible ways of beating it and I am sure some good strategies will come up. Rather Yao and the rest of Rockets got so confused when the opposing teams start to front Yao. It is a sign that JVG and coaches are not doing their home work.

    Rockfan94
     
  20. OddsOn

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    Nice breakdown of the play.

    One thing to point out is now try it at game speed with players who's IQ and reactional instincts are not exactly what you might hope. I'm pretty sure that JVG tells the guys to do this but its up to the players on the floor to execute. It always boils down to the players making plays.
     

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